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Old 05-04-2013, 05:34 PM
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I'm a big fan of Orvis. I have bought their products, including clothes, for many years. Hint, the clothes are not that expensive if you by them on sale at the end of the season. After Christmas is a great time to shop at their stores.

When you own two well known brands, it would make no sense to incorporate them into yours and lose the identity of the acquired brands.
Total agreement here. I have Orvis clothing that has to be 20 years old, in a couple cases possibly older. Truly things that 'You got what you paid for, and then some.'
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:44 PM
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There seems to have been minor confusion over the source of Orvis's lines prior to their current acquisition of SA. To clarify and fact-check I simply logged in with their responsive "On Line Chat Service" with a fly fishing specialist in their product line. Below is a portion of our chat:


​Question 1: ​
Have not Orvis lines been built by SA to Orvis's specs even before this great new acquisition? And the "coating" Orvis applies; is this a post production external extra slick proprietary finish rather than the taper producing coating?

Stefan F.: SA was making our lines and we
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just applying the proprietary coating not the taper producing coating,


​Question 2
: What is that coating called and is it significantly different from SA'a AST?

Stefan F.: Its the same as the Wonderline coating we had previously, it just not going by that name and it is different from SA AST
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I have been a customer of Orvis and Scientific Angler for many years...a trip to an Ovis shop was always highlight of the year for me...even though there wasnt much there I could afford...I got a thick black fleece sweater for a Christmas present over twenty years ago...and its still rockin...

until I know better, Orvis has always delivered good quality...something the older I get matters a lot more...a merger or whatever you call it is better than another company in America going under...JMHO...
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Three better than average product lines together. Could be worse, makes me think about Zebco and Fin Nor . I guess opposites really do attract!
And you can predict all you want there still going to do what they are going to do the way they (Orvis) wants to do it!
Seen and been through a few take overs and many promises of leave well enough alone and it invariably goes the way the new owner wants it anyway!
Time will tell.
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I read the Time article by Rana Foroohar in Time magazine. After a comment on here about Rana I did a bit of research on her. Her credentials are impressive as is her resumé. She is not the only one aware that American manufacturing is ramping up again. I hold hopes that the Orvis experiment of pricing things as they do while making things offshore has played out and they have designs to bring things back to the country that made them who they are for well over a century.
With Chinese wages soaring uphill maybe the tide is finally turning.
If Ross starts making Orvis reels here there's a strong possibility the only Orvis reels I own which were made in England and have some miles on them will be joined by more Orvis reels made right here.

Still, unless you sit in on the meetings in mohagany row at Sunderland VT, like me, you're guessing what will become of this merger. It is fun reading and seeing what people imagine will happen.
As a satisfied customer of all three companies I wish them all the best in the future.
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I don't know if Orvis can survive by bringing manufacturing back home. With escalating government regulation and the new health care questions, coupled with higher taxes on individuals (read less disposable income), the percentage of population able to afford quality Made In America is dwindling.

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Dave, As long as profit margin remains fundamentally more important than assiduously protecting the environment for manufacturers large and small, I opine we need even more and more stringent regulations. Same goes for other industries like banking for different reasons. The underlying reason, however, is, and this has been proven over and over and over again from antiquity to today, that humans are a fundamentally irresponsible species. Until such time as we start behaving ourselves on our own in a responsible and thoughtful manor, not only toward one another but toward all life forms (including fish that swim in our growingly befouled rivers and oceans...now acidified on top of being chemically wasted), we need to be regulated to the hilt. Evidence indicates that manufacturing is incrementally returning from Asia to America. A deservedly popular company on our Forum, Allen Fly Fishing, has started making fly rods in Utah recently after years of producing them off shore, and I would be surprised if Orvis does not soon introduce reels made in Colorado. Don't worry, memory foam dog beds will continue to come from China to help keep Orvis in the black.
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My thoughts were directed towards possible reasons why Orvis may not increase their products made in america. It was not my intent to start up the Chicken Little Parade.

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Fair enough, no the sky is falling or clearing either. I heard a rumor that H2 blanks were made off shore and shipped to VT for assembly. Turns out not to be so...full US made. Some of their inferior rods are built off shore as are all their reels as well as most of their clothing and gift items. They do field some high quality fly fishing merchandise and great customer service despite not making a lot of money in fly fishing. This new acquisition though dramatically increases their FF Industry footprint. SA remains the leader in fly lines and now will have a new transfusion of expert talent in the product development end and Ross remains a force in the reel market with both Domestic and off shore production. I have felt that Ross's design philosophy has diversified to the point of being somewhat out of focus and with new leadership could be poised to reassert themselves. There is plenty of signs here for optimism both for quality and increased US manufacturing of fishing tackle.
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I don't know if Orvis can survive by bringing manufacturing back home. With escalating government regulation and the new health care questions, coupled with higher taxes on individuals (read less disposable income), the percentage of population able to afford quality Made In America is dwindling.

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Other than inflation, that pretty much covered it.
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