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Old 09-15-2013, 04:36 PM
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sorry, must have misinterpreted the video...
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:43 PM
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great news?? I guess if you look at it from a distance...and there is nothing wrong with that...not at all...

but the clean up alone will take years...and hopefully there are dollars to rebuild the road...

I heard today that (from the governors mouth) that this was a 500-1000 year episode...wow...alpine desert meets hurricane level rains...

forget fly fishing, streams and fish...there are so many lives affected here it is silly to reminiss too much bout the beauty of this water shed...

for me the word is to appreciate that which you have...who can ever know something like this wont occur again in another place...my heart and prayers are for the folks that live in that drainage...what they must feel now goes beyond my comprehension...some are just now being reconected with the rest of the world...
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Truly awesome. Wow, wow! Mother nature is some harsh mistress.
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I think all the fish that survived are in Kansas about now...literally 100's of times the amount of flow at times...

the pioneer spirit is alive in the centennial state...and I believe that the folks there will survive...Im sure in months to come there will be oppurtunitys available for those that want to help...t
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Hurricane Irene devastated trout streams and their valleys in Vermont just about 2 years ago, and they're still dealing with it.
The stream bed on one of my favorite rivers, the White, is twice the width that it was with collapsed banks and all vegetation washed away. Stream were re-channelized quickly with little regard to environmental impact, It's a mess

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Two years later you still see houses like this

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I think all the fish that survived are in Kansas about now...literally 100's of times the amount of flow at times...
I think you mean Nebraska. These front range streams end up in the S. Platte on it's way north east to Nebraska where it joins the N Platte and then on to the Missouri.

The link to the Orvis article posted on another thread was informative. I've heard Tom Rosenbauer talking about big floods on his podcast as well. Apparently the flows down where the trout tend to hole-up don't change as much as we might think looking at the chaos on the surface of the river/stream. I'm sure there was fish mortality but the article suggests it won't be near what we anticipate.
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I was speaking rhetorically ... I doubt any fish that inhabited those runs made it for more than an hour with all that silt...trout require pretty clean water...and even more so to water quality they are accustomed to...a geography lesson ?? or a water rights conversation??

"I think you mean Nebraska. These front range streams end up in the S. Platte on it's way north east to Nebraska where it joins the N Platte and then on to the Missouri. "

at this point the fish are the least thing of concern on my mind...thousands of folks that lived in those hills because they loved them so much...and now are being hoisted away by helicopters?? of course not 10,000...but many cant stay in their places due to being totally cut off because of bridges and roads being destroyed...brought back to a time similar to the 1890's..a time most now could never be able to handle.

what truly amazes me is how someone elses disaster can be just a news story to some...maybe it takes actually experiencing something of this magnitude personally to bring it home...

fly fishing is a beautiful thing...however my main hope is that those folks can have the semblance of a life sooner rather than later. Nature has had similar occurences over time...its just a human beings life span does not last long enough to see the return to a healthy way many times...

I just hope that this whole disaster is more than a story of a trout water lost...
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"I just hope that this whole disaster is more than a story of a trout water lost... "

"what truly amazes me is how someone elses disaster can be just a news story to some...maybe it takes actually experiencing something of this magnitude personally to bring it home..."

"forget fly fishing, streams and fish...there are so many lives affected here it is silly to reminiss too much bout the beauty of this water shed..."


Just looking for a silver lining dude. You keep [rather poetically] chastising everyone on here for talking about this subject. No one is trying to make light of the disaster.

Some of us who have lost everything before (wildfire, 3 years ago, same town) would still rather talk about trout instead of focusing on all the carnage that we've been dealing with for the last week straight.
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The trout waters will be fine. Water will recede. Couple weeks later displaced trout will be back home. Not likely in the same holes as new ones are surely to be created but like humans they move on and get back to living life.

Back to the humans now. The flooding sucks. Yes. Living along the Mississippi and numerous streams and other rivers. I've seen and heard of flooding just about every year. One year I watched as the Mississippi was inches from coming over the levee and dikes. And thankfully receded at that point. But in the end we cannot bend mother nature to our will and all of us whom choose to make home along a river or in a river valley are well aware, or should be, of the consequences that can come of living so near to something that is so wild. Trust me. The thought of it all repeats itself every spring as I live a whole 2 blocks from old man river. And I continue to roll the dice. One day I'm sure it'll bite me in the arse.
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Two interesting articles from today.

The first is from the Denver Post reflecting on how the fish will have a far easier time rebounding than the people. There may, however be some changes not only in the river structure but also where species of fish are found.

The second is from a news source in Nebraska. The flood damage in the Front Range is the beginning of the story. While the power of the water through the canyons and Front Range towns was catastrophic in some places, the water surge is heading Northeast through Colorado on its way to Nebraska. People there don't know what all it will mean yet but they could see flooding as well. The news in Denver has shown images of how people living along the S Platte in Colorado are being impacted and the water is still moving.
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