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Old 05-24-2014, 12:06 PM
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Default My little SD trout stream!

Here's some pictures of my local fishing spot here in San Diego County. It is a VERY small creek and looks as if it would be completely devoid of any fish, much less Trout. They are all wild, native Rainbow and are believed to be one of the last remaining PURE descendants of the southern California steelhead. I caught about 30 fish in a 5 hour period a couple weeks ago. All the fish I landed ranged from about 4"-11" but I saw some 15+ inchers in there that I just couldn't get to. This stream is extremely hard to fish and even harder to access. The weapons of choice were a #20 Olive EHC and a #22 Bedhead Zebra Midge. I fished it yesterday in a different spot and did very well, 15 fish in a few hours. I saw a few 17" in a couple different pools that I just could not convince to take my fly. Maybe next time... Enjoy!

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Wow, those are some gorgeous trout, I can see why you go after them, but that stream looks extremely difficult to fish, congrats!
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Wow, those are some gorgeous trout, I can see why you go after them, but that stream looks extremely difficult to fish, congrats!
Thanks bud! These fish are gorgeous. Most of the population is 5"-11" but there are some really big fish in here in relation to the size of this stream. The best part is that almost nobody knows there are fish in here, so the fishing pressure is almost nonexistent.
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The best part is that almost nobody knows there are fish in here, so the fishing pressure is almost nonexistent.
After seeing those stream side photos I can believe it that not many people attempt to fish there, your casting has to be spot on or you would be spending the afternoon digging flies out of brush.

To me the color on those fish rank right up there with Goldens!
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FWIW...

California "southern district" streams and tributaries (including SD county) with access to the ocean, even if that access is only seasonal, are closed to fishing for trout and salmonids. Most all are closed to all fishing all year.

You should revisit the regs if you think there's any chance you're fishing closed waters or taking protected species. Might prevent a fine, gear confiscation or appearance before the judge.

And it might explain the lack of other anglers.
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After seeing those stream side photos I can believe it that not many people attempt to fish there, your casting has to be spot on or you would be spending the afternoon digging flies out of brush.

To me the color on those fish rank right up there with Goldens!
Casting is almost impossible. it mainly consists of dapping and bow and arrow shots. Most drifts are about 6" long or else you'll likely lose the fly to the foliage.

I've never caught a golden but I have also never caught fish as beautiful as these.

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FWIW...

California "southern district" streams and tributaries (including SD county) with access to the ocean, even if that access is only seasonal, are closed to fishing for trout and salmonids. Most all are closed to all fishing all year.

You should revisit the regs if you think there's any chance you're fishing closed waters or taking protected species. Might prevent a fine, gear confiscation or appearance before the judge.

And it might explain the lack of other anglers.
I've looked into it and spoken with a few people who also fish this stream and there's no restrictions or special regulations. There's a handful of streams with trout in them just in SD county that are all very legal to fish. Could you provide a link for this information you speak of?
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First of all, great pics, and a tip o' the hat to your ability to fish those small holes. It's a skill I am slowly learning to develop. What kind / length of rod are you using? Do you have room to pull the rod during a strike, or do you strip-strike?

Regarding the whole steelhead issue, perhaps it would be best to start a different thread, but here's my understanding (and it's free opinions on the internet, so take that for what it's worth):

1. Just because trout in a particular river may have a steelhead heritage, doesn't make it off-limits. There are trout descendants of steelhead in the San Gabriel River, but there are multiple dams that would prevent them from ever reaching the ocean, so it is OK to fish.

2. The Federal Gov't does protect steelhead, and in certain areas it is not permissible to fish for steelhead, but it is permissable to fish for other kinds of fish. See South-Central/Southern California Coast Steelhead Recovery Plans :: NOAA Fisheries West Coast Region

3. The problem is that since, by definition, a steelhead is a trout that made it to the ocean, then certain environmental groups are arguing that all trout (incl. rainbow) between the ocean and the first dam or manmade barrier should be off-limits, since they have the potential to be/ become steelhead.

4. The state resolves this by addressing issue #3 on a river-by-river basis. For example, I believe the state has recognized the closure of the Santa Ynez river (Santa Barbara Co.) up to the first dam. You can go to the state DFG site to see where there are state restrictions on fresh-water fishing.

5. There are probably several instances - perhaps even the river you are fishing on in SD - that may be legal in the eyes of the state, while others would argue that the state has simply not yet aligned with the wishes of the Feds to close said rivers to fishing. (This may be analogous to Colorado legalizing pot, while the Feds do not recognize it.)

6. By the way, one of the effects of the current push to remove obsolete dams will be that even as it may restore fish migration up from the ocean, those same areas may potentially be then become out-of-bounds for fishing per #3 above.
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First of all, great pics, and a tip o' the hat to your ability to fish those small holes. It's a skill I am slowly learning to develop. What kind / length of rod are you using? Do you have room to pull the rod during a strike, or do you strip-strike?

Regarding the whole steelhead issue, perhaps it would be best to start a different thread, but here's my understanding (and it's free opinions on the internet, so take that for what it's worth):

1. Just because trout in a particular river may have a steelhead heritage, doesn't make it off-limits. There are trout descendants of steelhead in the San Gabriel River, but there are multiple dams that would prevent them from ever reaching the ocean, so it is OK to fish.

2. The Federal Gov't does protect steelhead, and in certain areas it is not permissible to fish for steelhead, but it is permissable to fish for other kinds of fish. See South-Central/Southern California Coast Steelhead Recovery Plans :: NOAA Fisheries West Coast Region

3. The problem is that since, by definition, a steelhead is a trout that made it to the ocean, then certain environmental groups are arguing that all trout (incl. rainbow) between the ocean and the first dam or manmade barrier should be off-limits, since they have the potential to be/ become steelhead.

4. The state resolves this by addressing issue #3 on a river-by-river basis. For example, I believe the state has recognized the closure of the Santa Ynez river (Santa Barbara Co.) up to the first dam. You can go to the state DFG site to see where there are state restrictions on fresh-water fishing.

5. There are probably several instances - perhaps even the river you are fishing on in SD - that may be legal in the eyes of the state, while others would argue that the state has simply not yet aligned with the wishes of the Feds to close said rivers to fishing. (This may be analogous to Colorado legalizing pot, while the Feds do not recognize it.)

6. By the way, one of the effects of the current push to remove obsolete dams will be that even as it may restore fish migration up from the ocean, those same areas may potentially be then become out-of-bounds for fishing per #3 above.
Well to tell you the truth, this is how I learned to fish streams since everything where I grew up was congested like this so I just had to make it work. I use a 7'6" 2wt TFO Lefty Kreh Finesse and it works pretty darn well for this type of fishing. it also has enough backbone to handle larger trout as well. The set is usually just whatever works best at the time. Certain spots will yield a strip-set and others will yield a rod lift. Its just one of those "situation dictates" things.

Like I've said before, I haven't been able to dig up anything on this particular stream to find out whether or not it's legal to fish or even if there are any special regulations. I know certain steelhead waters have been closed to fishing due to the migratory nature of the fish but this stream would be 100% impossible for the trout to make it more than a mile or so up or down stream simply because of the topography and gradient of the stream. There's Dams, waterfalls, and many other natural occurring barriers on this stream. But I do know that these fish are said to be some of the purest descendants of the southern land locked steelhead. Whether that makes a difference, I don't know. But I intend to continue fishing this area until I find out otherwise.
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A specialist's streammust be fun to fish here...
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Definitely a fun place to fish! Probably my favorite spot that I've ever fished.
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