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fredaevans 02-27-2012 08:49 AM

"I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you.'
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EPA halts proposed fishing park near Logan

dhayden 02-27-2012 09:06 AM

Re: "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you.'
I'm 100% behind the access.. but I do think they need the right permits. They just missed a step, I'm sure it'll work out.

They get a fair amount of flooding around there with ice jams, etc

If it wasn't something I supported, these guys can stop those things too.

BigCliff 02-27-2012 10:47 AM

Re: "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you.'
Rules are generally created for a reason, and this appears to be one of them. Preventing flooding caused by man made structures is a very sensible application of government regulation.

I'd bet folks with houses downhill from this proposed pond would agree with me on that.

Side note- I used to own a house downhill from a city park pond, so I'm quite familiar with being concerned that all prudent measures were followed when its pouring and that pond is overflowing.

fire instructor 02-27-2012 12:58 PM

Re: "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you.'
This one "hits home" for me... I've been a fisherman since I could walk, hold a fishing rod, and watch a bobber. But I've also worked in Emergency Services for almost 40 years, and as a professional Emergency Manager for almost 15 years.

Flooding is consistantly the #1 dollar damage hazard here in NYS, and in many (read MOST) other states. Much of the flooding that occurs COULD have been avoided, had people just followed the rules regarding watershed, water front, or shore-side construction and improvement. Any construction that changes or affects the natural flow of the stream, both at the "daily" level and during high water events, will impoact someone downstream, and potentially upstream. Having had to make swift water rescues in the past, and working to rebuild flood devistated communities, it's a challenge that I get to live in daily!

Worse, once flooding (that humans cause!) occurs, it gives the "I can fix this with a couple of passes with a bulldozer" crowd an excuse to work during "emergency conditions" to fix a problem, destroying native fish habitat, turning rivers and streams into stone-lined drainage troughs, and removing any of the cover, boulders, and God-placed materials that cause pools, riffles, runs, and swirls.

just look at the permenant damage done to the Ausable River fisheries in Upstate NY last Fall, by an over-zelous local demand, all in an "emergency effort" to clear debris from the flooding caused by Irene & Lee! Most of the 'damage" was human-caused construction (can't blame it on the beavers!), encroaching on locations where streams and flows have carved their paths for centuries!

So I'm in favor of a regulatory process that actually REQUIRES folks to respect Mother Nature and the way that she moves waters. I'm SURE that there is someone just a phonecall away at the EPA willing to assist Mr. Lilly, the Logan American Legion, and Urbani Fisheries with their worthwhile project, in a manner that ensures protection of the waterway.

bradyb 02-27-2012 01:28 PM

Re: "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you.'
Fred didn't actually read it. He just saw EPA, and put a thumbs down on it with a sarcastic tag line.

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