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Old 11-13-2012, 12:22 PM
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Hey All, thanks.

That more than fits the bill.

I am going to start tying those.

Got down to the local shop this morning, and got the supplies for the "Clown
Shoes Caddis".

Looks like lots of fun to tie.


Meanwhile, it is a beautiful day, and I hope to use some store-bought
"terrestrials" as indicators.

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I'd love to find a dry fly that is super buoyant to hold double nymph rigs for steelhead.

Part of the problem I have with indicator flies is that I need my set up to get to the bottom fast which typically means heavy flies with tungsten heads and additional shot. Considering this rig puts a bigger thingamobobber at its threshold, I can't imagine a fly being buoyant enough to handle it.


When I am fishing clear and shallower water though and maybe just have a light nymph or egg pattern, A good natural looking fly would be great!
Why do you want to use a dry fly at all? If you are fishing double bead tungsten nymphs there isn't an indicator dry fly that will help you at all. Why not just an indicator?

Droppers fished under dries is a technique generally used when fish are eating big flies from the surface. In the winter time fishing hoppers, stimulators, huge foam ants, etc. i.e. flies that will support the weight of heavy nymphs just seems like more hassle than it's worth.

First, you are adding a fly that will most likely not be "fishing." Second, you are adding two knots to the equation, one for the top fly then the dropper ties to the bend. This greatly weakens your nymph rig by 200% as opposed to zero knots to your fly and a looped on indicator. Plus, considering tying unnecessary knots with cold wet hands why not eliminate this all together.

Winter nymphing is about using a nice short strong leader to your heavy anchor fly and then one connection to your trailing nymph. Keep it easy!
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When it comes to winter, you are 100% correct. The caveat of that though is that I do not strictly fish in the winter for these steelhead. Many of the tributaries hold year round populations of steelies and they do take the occasional surface bug
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Hey Dean, thanks. You make an excellent point.

You one smart fella, and I will benefit from your point.

I just had to start somewhere, sometime on doing something Tandem, and that is what appeared to my mind. Also, I wouldn't know a nymph "take"
from Chumming for Sharks, so all I know right now is that I want a big visible Indicator. I don't need to think in terms of "fishing" it.

When I returned from the fly shop today, my dim little Pea Brain has a flashing though that I could still just use one of those round plastic ball indicators.

Still though, I have the winter to start tying the "Clown Shoes Caddis" and that is something I very much look forward too. In fact, I am doing so many things, and doing them all at once, that sometimes I don't know whether I am goin' er comin'
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When it comes to winter, you are 100% correct. The caveat of that though is that I do not strictly fish in the winter for these steelhead. Many of the tributaries hold year round populations of steelies and they do take the occasional surface bug
Alrighty then! Lucky you, fishing summer runs that will look to the surface. But still, I've never had much luck with any dry, no matter how big, to float heavy nymphs. Lots of foam and hair!

Where are you fishing the summer steelies? I grew up in Michigan and remember the summer runs on the Little Mani, but if the fish are year round residents, then they are no longer Steelhead, right? A steelhead is defined as being anadromous no? Sorry to sidetrack...
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My favorite is a Quigley's Cripple. Purple is deadly. I also like kglissmeyers Parachute and James Ferrin's Parachute.

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Bruce, I don't know about smart, but I've learned from my experiences and have come to loathe the dry / dropper technique when using a weighted nymph. I use it for dropping small nymphs, wets, flymphs, emergers...I'll use a two fly rig for trailing a very small dry as well, keeping my eye on the lead fly. But I've come to the realization that when I'm fishing the trendy "Hopper/dropper" type of big foam fly with a beadhead worm that I'm not actually fishing either fly, rather half fishing each of them. And that's just not how I like to fish anymore.

If you are new to nymph fishing, which it sounds like maybe you are, you might want to do some reading about "Czech Nymphing" or Euro nymphing which it is referred to...or if you don't like the fab of it all...High Sticking, as it was dubbed many years ago my western anglers like Charlie Brooks. It has now caught on and become very popular due to tournament fishing and the success rate the technique achieves. Anyway, it forgoes the indicator and is much more enjoyable, read active, way to fish nymphs. There is plenty of info out there. If you are not an entrenched indicator nympher (like many of us) it will be a lot easier for you to learn, because you won't have the chuck and duck and watch the fuzzy "bobber" stuff to unlearn!

I like that caddis pattern too, I am adding it to my winter list.
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dean_mt, you need to pick up a copy of American Angler Nov./Dec 2012 issue. It goes into detail on the Indicator thing. Very interesting.
I say if you are going to use bead headed nymphs, slap on the Thingamabobber and rig your leader up for the Provo River Bounce. Nothing wrong with an indy and it isn't cheating in my eyes :-)
Man, I can't believe the Carp I have been catching by using an indicator and suspending those flies so they are three feet deep.
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dean_mt, you need to pick up a copy of American Angler Nov./Dec 2012 issue. It goes into detail on the Indicator thing. Very interesting.
I say if you are going to use bead headed nymphs, slap on the Thingamabobber and rig your leader up for the Provo River Bounce. Nothing wrong with an indy and it isn't cheating in my eyes :-)
Man, I can't believe the Carp I have been catching by using an indicator and suspending those flies so they are three feet deep.
That's on the newstand now I assume? I need some leisure reading tonight. Thanks, I'll let you know what I think.

BTW: I wasn't inferring that indicator fishing is anything more or less than it is. I do it too! And I'm not judging, but I started practicing high sticking/tight line nymphing last summer and really enjoyed it. Like I said to Bruce, it is just a more engaging way to fish, for me.
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i use a indicator a lot, one thing about a indicator, they are all different. i have used several, the best for me is the round foam, attacted witha rubber band. floats high, stays where you put it. more than i can say for some brands, including the thinga......
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