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Old 12-13-2012, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: Deer Hair Caddis vs. Elk Hair Caddis?

Deer tail hair is not hollow!! So when you buy bucktail, which is awesome for streamers, it is solid and will not float.

Ok, how to tell the difference, not sure. I trust my friends that kill them that they know the difference and I trust the local shop. But an older guy I use to tie with said that normally deer hair is tri colored, but elk is not....plus elk skin is thicker.

But if you have two pieces side by side...you will see one is definitely thicker.
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I thought that bucktail is from some cattle
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Deer tail hair is not hollow!!
Not entirely true, I have quite a few tails where the hair at the base and alot of the top side hair is hollow. I wouldn't use it for a wing but for poppers or muddlers it works fine.
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I thought that bucktail is from some cattle
Kiptail...which is almost impossible to find in the real form...is now actually calf tail...I think it was originally a african antilope of some kind. Now when you buy Kiptails you always get calf tail. I could be wrong on the bucktail...but I was pretty sure it was solid. Either way...it works awesome for streamers.

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Its on those big gnarly tails, the ones that are full of crinkly hairs. The smaller tails, better for streamers, are mostly if not entirely solid.
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Kiptail...which is almost impossible to find in the real form...is now actually calf tail...I think it was originally a african antilope of some kind. Now when you buy Kiptails you always get calf tail. I could be wrong on the bucktail...but I was pretty sure it was solid. Either way...it works awesome for streamers.
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Second this and just to add hair of all kinds of deer all over the globe have hollow hair
I always thought them Europeeean deers had solid hairs!
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I always thought them Europeeean deers had solid hairs!
hahaha..maybe but it is hollow
And in any time i will change all skin of European deer for 2 by 2 inches of elk hair
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I use Elk,Mule Deer,White Tail ,Pronghorn and even Moose for tying various bugs and streamers...especially caddis imitations...used them a lot in early summer on the S Platte...all are hollow (body fur any way)I think a lot depends on what time of year animal was harvested(big dif between September and November), part of the hide and color you are looking for...

when you buy the $$ little baggies its pretty much a **** shoot ... I'm also a hunter...so this is one area that there is no shortage of...anyone that has noticed a tie getting saturated sooner than an other knows what I mean, that some floats better or worse...I like to clip hair as close to hide for final length I want...and even dust them w/ floatant just for good measure...

an elk or deer hide has enough fur to start and run fly tying business...

this thread caught my eye special...I usually am quiet...but my preference is tying with all materials I have either myself or friends harvest...lately I just buy hooks and thread...after learning how to use a stomach pump I have been tying all natural color stuff to match what I have found in trout bellies...never seen any flash being digested yet...

sure there is a place for using colors etc...but its been fun for a few years focusing on the natural ties...

here is a "spey" fly tied w/ Mule Deer, Elk, Moose , Buffalo ,Gadwall & Wild turkey...

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Totally off subject here but Silvertip you got some interesting wraps on your cane there care to show it more?
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