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Old 12-06-2010, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: Barb wired fence running across Odell spring creek in Ennis Montana

"Unfortunately the tubers probably can't be stopped" that about sums it up.

The issue with people tubing on rivers is huge, but it rides on a very thin line. It is easy to generalize and say they are all drunken idiots, but in reality there are many different people who choose to float down a river. Just as it's hard to watch a 17 year old with a beer bong scare away the trout form the hole you are fishing, it can be just as bad seeing 30 guide boats come down the stretch 'one after the other' like wild boars- ravishing the shorelines with two-fly set-ups. (thats a rant)

The real issue comes with the lack of respect for the water, and the lack of access points for the public. In my mind they are both problems that are a causality of each other.

I remember my professor at the UofM tell me that when they were building the new dam for the Blackfoot, they found something like 50,000 beer cans. That to me is just sad.

I like how the rivers are managed in Canada. Barbed hooks are illegal and (I believe) beer cans are even illegal while floating. Those are two things that I don't should be in the water ever.

BlackBugger - I would have to argue that giving up the lower Maddi is better then the Jefferson where the majority of the floating was occurring. However, giving up any river in Montana is tough as heck.

The stories I hear about floating the Lower G are hilarious, but not near as funny as some of the stories of college kids running the kitchen sink without knowing it was coming. There should be a warning sign on the Ennis lake Dam that says "you might die if you are about to float this in an inner-tube."
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Everyone has equal right to Montana's public land regardless of use. Fisherman should not feel more entitled to public land than anyone else that wants to use the river.



I encourage everyone to use Montana's outdoor resources, including tubers.


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BlackBugger - I would have to argue that giving up the lower Maddi is better then the Jefferson where the majority of the floating was occurring. However, giving up any river in Montana is tough as heck.
Also it is possible to float the lower madison in the middle of the summer and not have to worry about the tubers. Float beartrap, or float from greycliff to three forks.
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I encourage everyone to use Montana's outdoor resources, including tubers
I don't think anyone's disputing everyone's right to use the resource, only that everyone that DOES use the resource should pay an equal share by paying for a recreational pass/permit, IF your not already contributing by the purchase of a fishing license.
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Everyone has equal right to Montana's public land regardless of use.
Actually, this isn't true. At least as far as law and regulation is concerned.
Public land use is subject to all kinds of regulation.

I, for one, like that I can go over to the Big Hole or the Beav. during the high season and find a stretch to float that doesn't have any guides on it (in theory).

I like that they control the number of launches on the Smith with a lottery.

I expect that if the tubing trend continues to grow there will be attempts to control and regulate it.
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Just cut the wire! Oh, and don't forget to throw the wire cutters as far away as you can afterwards! ;-)
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I also didn't know it was legal to put a barb wire fence over a river, I guess it could be considered a 'barrier' to show property lines.
I wouldnt call it a "barrier" I would call it more like a law suit
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Just cut the wire! Oh, and don't forget to throw the wire cutters as far away as you can afterwards! ;-)
Or...wipe off the finger prints and nail them to the fence post. j/k
The Landowner probably has a Game Camera aimed directly at the offending fence, thinking that sooner or later something may happen to it.
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When fly fishing in montana you have the right to move up and down a stream if you are within the high water mark. On O'dell spring creek the high water mark is basically the existing water level since it doesn't fluctuate much so you have to stay in the creek. As long as you access it from a public spot like the bridge outside of Ennis you can wade upstream as far as you want. The stream access law also allows you to move outside of the high water mark to navigate around obstacles like fences.
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Good question. This is an old thread but it was good one. I wish Biggie was still around, but he hasn't posted here in a long time.

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question: i thought the rule was different for spring creeks? they can be owned and passage restricted/stopped? one cant walk into depuy from the yellowstone right?

Spring creeks can be owned if the originate on the property. In this case passage would be restricted.



If the spring creek just passes through the property, then passage cannot be restricted and the high water mark law applies.
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