03-31-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Is There a Real Advantage to Longer Rods?
Originally Posted by DEcevR
Any fly caster in the surf is casting with two hands
: one has a hand on the rod and the other hand hauling the line to cast and the other has both hands on the rod with the line trapped in his upper hand to be released on backcast and forward casting strokes to cast. Both are casting the "weight of the line" not the "weight of the projectile" as the conventional and spinning guys do. No similarity at all to each other in mechanics or method but everyone is free to feel as they may about these tools.
Whether one cast's with one hand or two on the rod makes little real difference in whether it's fly fishing or not. It's the hook up and direct contact with the fish to the angler's hand on line connected to the fly in the fishes mouth during the fight that set's us apart from other methods along with the weight of the line vs the weight of the projectile as mentioned above.
"Spey" (which are slow action) rods generally make poor ocean front fly fishing tools .... "two handed" rods designed with a fast action for "overhead casting" rather than "spey casting" are what is desired out front. Some use "spey" rods in tribs and inlets where the current assists them in "spey casting" but they are rare among those who use "two handed" rods in the salt. The "switch" rods are a relative new concept which has some advantages for those with physical conditions that prevent them from fishing single handed rods but (due to their short lengths 10-12.5') have no real line speed advantage (which is the real advantage of longer two handed rods in the salt) over a good single handed caster with a good dbl haul in the salt (but can be fun to cast and fish with none the less).
The terminologies involved with these rods or casting methods can and do cause confusion for fly fishermen, on bulletin boards. and at tackle shops. A "spey rod" is as different from a "two handed rod" as a "single handed rod" is to a "switch rod". Each has it's own specific design intent and excel at some things and are poor at others. The angler ultimately has to weigh out the pro's and con's of each for the anglers needs and decide what works best for them.
Hope this has helped those who might not be aware of these various fly casting tools or are confused to the accepted terminologies involved with them.
There are no right or wrongs just likes and dislikes. I personally use them all at various times and conditions.
I understood that "Spey" casting/rod(s)/fishing is just a generic term. It started on the River Spey, with a two handed rod, developed to catch large fish and cast large rods without wearing out your arms. Therefore that style of fishing has been known as "spey" fishing. Different types of casting styles are associated with spey/two handed rods. "Spey" style rods aren't necessarily soft or slow action rods either. That might have been true when they were made of cane or glass. The newer two handed rods are designed for all the "spey" style casting. Roll, snake, snap T, circle, single spey, double spey etc. And you can overhead cast them but not as well as the normal spey/two handed casting methods. All the well known spey/two handed rod experts are trying to get people to call them two handed rods. I know of at least two "pros" that prefer you call them that. Spey is in Scotland and is a river.
I'm building a switch rod for a friend, and with the "spey style" casting, I would think with the correct line, one should be able to cast it farther with less effort too. I don't think switch rods are a fad either. They'll evolve just like other fly fishing rods have. Maybe not so much in salt but definitely in freshwater circumstances. I think like two handed rods they have their place.
Sorry to get off track guys.
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