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jb fly 01-04-2013 11:29 PM

Walleye patterns
 
Hey guys I would like help I'm new to fly fishing and tying. I would like to tie some flies for walleye's and perch has I'm haven some hard time finding some simple patterns to tie.

Thank u for any help

Guest1 01-05-2013 12:56 AM

Re: Walleye patterns
 
Welcome to the forum and you definately came to the right place. Are you fishing rivers or lakes?

The best flies are probably Clousers in either case. If you fish the lakes for them, you can get them sometimes on things like nymphs and big dry flies. Even then you are probably better off using Clousers and Leech patterns. I had Walleyes hitting baitfish in the dark on the surface in the dark. I used some minnow patterns that stayed really shallow and that stayed right on top.
http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/fo...eye-flies2.jpg

Do you ever fish for them in the dark there? I tie a lot of Walleye flies with glow in the dark flashabou.
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/u...lleyeflies.jpg
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/u...leyeflies2.jpg
I have also found that a lot of what conventional walleye fishermen think Walleye do is not entirely right. Some of it completely wrong. Most will tell you suspended Walleye don't bite. That's not true at all. I have caught them from the bottom to the top and the entire water column in between. That whole myth that they go deep in the summer is wrong also. I have caught them from ice out to freeze up in shallow water. It helps to be able to fish deep though because you do get fish deep also.

Anyway, there's a lot to fly fishing Walleye. I'm happy to share any thing I've learned with you. This should be at least a start.
http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/fo...-8-walleye.jpg

pkins44 01-05-2013 02:12 AM

Re: Walleye patterns
 
Nice flies Diver Dan! Ill have to tie some up and head over to the fox.

jpbfly 01-05-2013 03:05 AM

Re: Walleye patterns
 
:welcomean jb fly from jpbfly:D
our walleye specialist Dan has already given you great advice...you can trust him;)

Guest1 01-05-2013 04:30 AM

Re: Walleye patterns
 
Thanks JP. :D pkins44, how big and fast is the Fox? Jb fly, I was thinking about the Perch part of it. I have a lot more luck with Perch and buggy flies than I do with Walleye. You may want to size down the same things you use for Walleye though if you get into Perch.

I was also thinking about what I said about the conventional tackle wisdom you hear sometimes. Like the bite dies off during Mayfly hatches. Or Fish flies as they call them here. I tie big Hex patterns that get Walleye during those hatches. The bite doesn't die, it just keys on stuff the gear guys don't use.

jb fly 01-05-2013 10:39 AM

Re: Walleye patterns
 
It will be mostly lake fishing there is only a couple of rivers that I fish and that's in spring when ice is off.

vanish 03-22-2013 09:21 AM

Re: Walleye patterns
 
I'm going to be fishing for walleye and saugeye (hopefully pick up a wiper too) as soon the weather here makes up its mind. I've tied about 4 dozen clousers already in about 8 different color patterns. I'll be fishing in a lake in 3-9 feet of dirty water (maybe a foot visibility), near the inlet. We found the fish there last year and caught them on spinning gear, but this year I want to get some on the fly.

These are mostly 18-20 inch fish. What size flies do you recommend, and what would be your top 3 color choices to start in this situation?

Guest1 03-22-2013 02:00 PM

Re: Walleye patterns
 
I pretty much tie all of my Clousers on #2 Aberdeen hooks and bend the eye down with a pair of needle nose pliers. The reason I do this is because I like fishing snaggy spots and I can generally get my flies back if I hang them up on the bottom.

I use medium lead eyes and paint them with protec powder paint. I used to make about a third of them that glowed but as I started to see how much better they worked in everything from the end of the day low light conditions, to the darker murky stained water in one of my favorite places, it went up to half or better.

I make them as long as the bucktail I have allows them to get. As for color, if you fished Walleye alot, I am sure you know they can be a very color specific fish. Up here on the lake, the guide boats in later Summer all downrig and pull crankbaits for them. The best color can change a lot from day to day, and in fact change from one part of the day to the next. The best color for the year is rarely the same color two years in a row. I have seen days where they only wanted one color. As a general rule here though, I start with a Blue/White Clouser and go from there. The reason being that it closely approximates the main forage fish, Emerald Shiners, that we have here. The top three colors here may not be the same as where you are but mine are Blue/White (sometimes with a pink band in between in Rainbow Trout type pattern), Firetiger and all Black with no flash. I tie that with marabou so I do it better with a different style than with bucktail.

I use the same hook, same eyes but plain and don't paint them unless they are shiney silver then I paint them black. I take two feathers and clip off the ends and tie them in as the tail. I use the main portion of the feather and loop dub the fibers up the body without the stem. I use pettijon clips to do it but you can do it with any flat clip long enough to get the feather in. I like the pettijon clips because of the flat table clip. I snap the feather into it with the stem or a short piece of mono so both sides if the feather's fibers are sicking up. Then transfer it to the the narrow topped clip and trim the stem clear off. I them spin the dubbing loop and palmer it forward brushing the fibers back as I wrap. I figure 8 over the eyes to finish it. This is generally the best fly when they get onto leeches. If the Walleye do what they do here, and most people don't know about it, you should try the shallow bays around the weed edges in late August. A lot of really nice Walleye come in and target leeches. This is the pattern to go to then.

When you fish that murky water near the inlet, I have a couple of suggestions that may help you. If the inlet has any kind of rapids coming into it, you should fish the base of that really well. Especially as far up into the base as you can get. In fact when you think you are starting to get to far into the fast water, go farther. If there is a channel on the lake bottom where this inlet goes, fish the points of the channel where it hits the slope of the lake bottom. If there is a distinct current seam where it drops into the lake you should try those as well. The way I do them is cast into the current and let the water move you into the break. The fly can find it better than you can see it.

Good luck with it.

vanish 04-10-2013 10:07 AM

Re: Walleye patterns
 
Thanks Diver Dan .... hopefully one of these flies will be the winner. Many more to be tied yet, as well! I really enjoy tying clousers. In the past tying was something I struggled to get into because one really needs to tie many of the same pattern to make it 1.) cost effective 2.) well tied.

I'm not sure how well the leech patterns will work in our impoundments. I do not know if they have leeches at all. These aren't the super fresh, clear waters of the north. :D Rest assured I've caught plenty of fish on black wooly buggers anyway!

Some of my 2.5" - 3" clousers

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-V...0/clousers.jpg

Some of my 4" - 4.5" clousers

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E...s640/photo.JPG

A couple leeches

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-q...3/IMG_3883.JPG

Guest1 04-10-2013 08:13 PM

Re: Walleye patterns
 
That should do the trick. That leech pattern will be a killer later in summer. :thumbsup:

One last thing I should say is if you can get out in a boat on that lake you can use tha clousers and an intermediate line and drift with the flies and get them. Figure out how much line you need to get out to get to the bottom. Work drifts and if you start getting fish, keep working the same spot.


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