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beninfl 04-20-2013 02:25 PM

Hardy and Winston Spey Rods?
 
Hi Guys,

I'm rather new to two-handed casting, and I need to pick up a mid-priced 8-weight. I'm considering the following rods, but couldn't find much information on them:

- Hardy Marksman 2 (S or T, what's the difference?)
- Winston B2x (I realize this doesn't seem "mid-priced" but I know someone who is trying to get rid of one.)
- Winston B2-mx (ditto)
- TFO Deer Creek (lots of info on this, but just wondering how it compares)

As a comparison point, I also have a Sage ONE 4116 switch, which is awesome, and I don't like the Redington Prospector as it has a wobbly tip and I prefer the ONE's "through" flex.

Thanks for the help!

Hardyreels 04-20-2013 02:53 PM

Re: Hardy and Winston Spey Rods?
 
HI Ben,

I have a new Hardy Marksman 2 - T. Unfortunately because of the alaskan winter I have not cast it yet. The test will come soon as the weather has taken a turn toward spring. The designation 'T' means that the action of the rod is best suited to longer belly lines. I intend to start with a 55' head that is about 690 grains in that belly I think.

The 'S' series I believe stands for Skagit / Scandi type action but I will not swear to that as a fact. Check their web site for details on the 2 actions. below is copy from a post I made to the "Rod Love" thread located in the fly rods sub forum.

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Last fall / early winter I added 2 rods into my salmon / trout collection. I'll post the second in a while but start off with this one.

I chose a 13' Hardy Marksman 2 T in 13' 8 weight and am happy with the way they are making the rods. I haven't been able to fish with it yet but expect to go within a week.

The package starts off with a tube bag over and protecting a nicely finished powder coated rod tube. Inside the tube your rod is of course protected in a well made rod sock.

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps8dba8cbd.jpg

The reel seat is totally different than any of my old rods and the knurled locking rings spin freely on the threaded hardware.

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps0d9a3494.jpg

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps0509adcf.jpg

Fit & finish is good quality all around and the only gaps I found in the cork are the 2 at the neat little trim ring on the rear or bottom cork.

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps080b3804.jpg

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps88e492d3.jpg

In keeping with the traditional way that Hardy does things the rod sections are provided with ferrule plugs for all female ferrules, a nice touch for sure. While ferrule plugs are not really needed they impart a certain old school quality to a good rod.

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...psd3667fe5.jpg

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps950604e6.jpg

The reel seat has a good solid and smooth fit and here you see it fit with the reel that I will use with this rod already loaded with a 690 grain 55' head.

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...pse23612f2.jpg

I'm ready to get this season going here :)
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I am most eager to try this rod and really expect to do it this coming week. I can come back to this thread and post or will write a review on it.

On the WInston's, I have 2 of their Spey rods but both are almost 14 years old. They make excellent rods and I would have to guess the ones you mention are great. I would call or e-mail to their rod tech people and ask about actions in relationship to the type lines you intend to fish. I use a Rio Mid Spey 65' and a Delta Long 67' on the Winston's.

I figure you'll do well with either one you pick.

Ard

beninfl 04-20-2013 03:56 PM

Re: Hardy and Winston Spey Rods?
 
Thanks - Obviously you haven't tried it yet, but when you wiggle it, how do you think it compare action-wise to other rods you've cast?

Hardyreels 04-20-2013 09:26 PM

Re: Hardy and Winston Spey Rods?
 
Honestly I'm not much of a wiggler, I do however like to place the tip on the floor and then gently press the rod so I can see the range of the flex. The rod looks to be a nice progressive flex that comes all the way into the butt ferrule. I don't believe that it'll be a soft tip but more of a even action that will load up well and be fun to fish with.

duker 04-21-2013 08:00 PM

Re: Hardy and Winston Spey Rods?
 
I've got the TFO Deer Creek 13' 7/8. It's my first double-hander, and have only been fishing with it (well, casting anyway) for a couple of years. The detail and finish isn't up to the Hardy in Ard's pictures, but it's a quality rod and I'm liking the feel of it. I'm casting a 550 Rio skagit flight and it seems to cast well with that. TFO has a really good lifetime warranty, and you can't beat the price.

I obviously can't compare it to the other rods you've listed, but from what I can tell the Deer Creeks are a bit stiffer than some other double-handed rods. My buddy's got both a Loomis GLX Dredger 8/9 and a Deer Creek 8/9 and he's noticed the Dredger is much more progressive and fuller flexing than the Deer Creek.

Ard, I like your method of placing the tip of a rod on the floor and pushing down gently on it--a salesman in a fly fishing store showed me that method a few years ago and said it was more reliable way of assessing a rod's action and flex than "wiggling" it. I now use that method on new rods I buy, but I can't seem to help myself from giving them a wiggle as well.

Scott

Hardyreels 04-21-2013 08:36 PM

Re: Hardy and Winston Spey Rods?
 
Hi Scott,

I've had some shop people pretty concerned when I warned them that I wanted to test a rod this way. In each case the shop keepers were interested in what the tip to floor test would reveal as compared to the wiggling of fly rods. I was shown / taught that method as a quick reference for actions way back in the mid 70's by a very experienced tackle seller & fisherman. It's handy in a pinch,

Ard

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps7f124266.gif

duker 04-22-2013 09:28 PM

Re: Hardy and Winston Spey Rods?
 
I hear you Ard. Despite the fact that it was a salesman in a fly shop who taught me that method, it has definitely raised some eyebrows when I've done it in other shops. No one has ever objected, however, and as you say a number of fly shop employees have shown a keen interest in what the "test" indicates. I agree with you--I think it gives you a better idea of the "profile" (for lack of a better term) of the rod's action and flex, as opposed to just describing it as "medium" or "fast" action, or as a "stiff" rod.

Anyway, just to get back to the OP's question, he might find that technique useful for assessing and comparing the actions and flexes of the different rods he's identified.

Scott


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