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Old 06-21-2014, 05:10 PM
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Default Beulah Platinum Switch Line Recommendation

I've just picked up a Beulah Platinum 11' 8wt switch rod and am looking to use the Rio Scandi Short Versitip line with it. According to Rio's tables they show 'A' & 'B' options as the 7wt & 8wt respectively.

Has anyone got this rod and line combination and can give an opinion as to which line weight option I should go with?

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Hi,

Although I can't answer your question directly I can offer this. From what I've read about folks using Beulah rods, their line recommendations are spot on. If you don't get any response here, get in touch with Beulah I've heard they're incredibly helpful.

From their website:

FLY LINE RECOMMENDATIONS:
Scandinavian: Beulah Elixir Switch 400
Skagit: Beulah Tonic Switch 400-425
Overhead Line: Cortland Precision Platinum Salmon 9 or 10 wt. , SA Mastery Steelhead 9 or 10wt


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Jaybo41 is spot on.
The Beulah was my first switch rod, I recommend you to get the Beulah line in Elixir or Tonic and save your time and money in trying different lines.
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Default Re: Beulah Platinum Switch Line Recommendation

Thanks for your responses guys.

I chose the Rio Scandi Short for a couple of reasons, mainly its flexibility with not only the various density compensated tips but also when you remove the tips you're left with effectively a Skagit to which I can add imow or mow tips.

To get that flexibility with the Beulah lines I would need both types which would give me another headache as I have an excellent salmon reel (that's ten years out of production) but only one spare spool which I'm planning to use with the switch rod.

When I look at the grain ratings of the recommended Beulah lines and compare them with Rio's I don't understand why there's such a variance - the rod's either an 8 weight or it's not?

If anyone has experienced the Scandi Short Versitp line on this rod I'd love to hear your opinion.

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Thanks for your responses guys.

I chose the Rio Scandi Short for a couple of reasons, mainly its flexibility with not only the various density compensated tips but also when you remove the tips you're left with effectively a Skagit to which I can add imow or mow tips.

To get that flexibility with the Beulah lines I would need both types which would give me another headache as I have an excellent salmon reel (that's ten years out of production) but only one spare spool which I'm planning to use with the switch rod.

When I look at the grain ratings of the recommended Beulah lines and compare them with Rio's I don't understand why there's such a variance - the rod's either an 8 weight or it's not?

If anyone has experienced the Scandi Short Versitp line on this rod I'd love to hear your opinion.

Mark
Easy answer to that Mark. All rods have a 'grain range' that will load the rod properly. From there it become a 'game' of what kind of line do you want to load and fish. Short and heavy for chucking big flies/heavy tips (Skagit) or a more 'delicate' presentation (Scandi or Full Floater).

All spey lines have two basic elements: The Head and the running/shooting line behind. The head can be all over the place design wise but done that way for the intended purpose. The shooting/running line (take this with a grain of salt as I didn't look up the spec's) will be .02 or .32 in thickness. The lighter for lighter heads, the latter for 'big boy' heads with a lot of 'mass/grains.'

Rather than buy a full line I'm a strong advocate for 'head systems.' You get the head and shooting line and connect them via a loop to loop system. Not to worry about the L to L and your rod guides. All you'll get is a light 'click' as it goes through the tip top. But the point being is all you need is a shooting line (maybe one of both depending upon how many rods weights you have) and just change out the head as needed. Storage for heads is simple: Just take a small zip lock bag and mark the head info on same and store when not in use.

Just remember to put the head back into the right bag!!

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Hi Fae,

Sorry I should have explained better. My confusion is with this:

The rod is an 8wt and when I look at the Rio tech spec for the Scandi Short Versitip line I see 8wt 485gr but according to the Beulah website the recommended Elixir line for this rod is a 400gr. This on Rio's scale puts it as somewhere halfway between the 6 & 7wt.

Also, Beulah recommend a 425gr Skagit which again looks more like the spec of a 7wt rod not an 8wt!?

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Hi Fae,

Sorry I should have explained better. My confusion is with this:

The rod is an 8wt and when I look at the Rio tech spec for the Scandi Short Versitip line I see 8wt 485gr but according to the Beulah website the recommended Elixir line for this rod is a 400gr. This on Rio's scale puts it as somewhere halfway between the 6 & 7wt.

Also, Beulah recommend a 425gr Skagit which again looks more like the spec of a 7wt rod not an 8wt!?

Mark
No problem Mark.

The (partial) answer is shorter heads tend to have a greater number of grains. This is particularly true with the short heads ... Skagit's in particular. Not having cast this rod so 'another grain of salt' comment. As an 8wt 425 for a Skagit sound on the light side if you're casting full on 15 foot sink tips. For sinking poly leaders (Airflo is my preference) 425 would work beautifully. Poly's just aren't that heavy, 125 grains is about as high as they get.

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When I look at the grain ratings of the recommended Beulah lines and compare them with Rio's I don't understand why there's such a variance - the rod's either an 8 weight or it's not?
This is always confusing and confused me at first, but I think I'm learning. Companies like Rio and Airflo who, make wonderful lines, are making lines that are going to be designed to fit a multitude of rods by different manufacturers. Add to that Rio's sister company is Sage and Airflo's is Echo (I believe). Lines from those respective manufacturers are going to be designed to work on those rods, perhaps not exclusively but keeping their sweet spots in mind.

Every rod's window is going to be different and add to that each caster's preference may vary +/- the recommendations per Rio or Airflo. As I've read, Beulah's lines are a tailored fit to their rods. Not to say you couldn't use a Beulah line on any other rod provided the grain window is right just that they're offering lines that are really dialed into their rods. Or so I've read anyway.
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I just gotta say........... I didn't ask what line was on the rod but I got to cast your exact model on Friday and you're going to love that stick.
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When I look at the grain ratings of the recommended Beulah lines and compare them with Rio's I don't understand why there's such a variance - the rod's either an 8 weight or it's not?
Rod power ratings in the spey/switch world are basically meaningless. One company's 7wt may pair with a 400gr head and another company's 7wt may pair with a 500gr head. Take the Beulah recommended grain weight and buy any company's line.

That being said, the Rio Scandi Versitip is a confusing line. It is rated according to the weight of the head plus the tip. Pretty much every other line out there is rated according to just the head. If you bought the 485gr Rio Versitip then the head probably weighs something like 400gr (the Rio site should say) which is likely too light to work well as a skagit head for your rod. Furthermore, when you add the floating tip and try to use the line as a scandi you'll probably find that 485gr is too heavy to use as a scandi line. Confusing, isn't it. This all might sound like obsessive-compulsive nitpicking but once you get into spey casting you'll realize that 30gr diiference in a line means a lot.

My suggestion is to stick with the Beulah recommended head weights or call Steve Godshall to make you a custom line for the same price as a commercial line. Also, if you go with a head system then you only need one reel (and one spool) to use with any variety of lines or rods. Just leave the running line on the spool and swap out the heads.
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