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Old 08-11-2009, 01:04 PM
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ive been trying to design some heavy duty bass flies that could compete with plastic rapala poppers or rubber worms.

i based the orange and yellow fly off of a reynolds pike fly. it is made of yellow and orange zonker strips, large gold w/ red dumbell eyes, and it has an epoxy covered head.

the popper is balsa wood painted with acrylic paint, and then a coat of glitter paint to give it a little sparkle. after all of the paint dried, i covered the entire pooper with epoxy. it still floats fine even with the epoxy; i used a thin, but efficient layer.

let me know your thoughts. will they work? will they last longer?

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Old 08-11-2009, 01:58 PM
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they look like great bass flies, as for them being extra heavy duty i have no idea. if you got multiple coats of paint on that popper combined with epoxy i think the body will last forever, id say its the marabou tail youll have to replace later on. nice job
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They look great and durable. My only concern when it comes to my bass flies are weight. I used to throw really big cork poppers and between the weight and the wind resistance of the cupped face they got harder to cast especially on windy days.

I started fishing gurglers a few years ago and found that they have been just as successful and much easier to cast as they are foam with a much lower profile. They don't push quite as much water, but that hasn't seemed to keep them from working!

They are not nearly as durable, but for as cheap and easy to tie as they are, I just replace them as needed.
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Hi rmooney,

I think you did a great job. Here are some suggestions you might want to try.

1. The Popper

When I was making poppers I found a flat face like you have didn't work as well as a slanted face. That is the bottom of the popper face is shorter than the top. The reason I preferred that was because it would throw water forward instead of just making waves. You can hollow out the face a bit and with some experimenting you will get a good bit of water forward. If you need more flotation you can take a Demal tool and hollow out the back of the popper when you have it slanted. You can really remove a lot of material and it won't affect its ability to pop and throw water.

2. The Orange Fly

That looks really good but your eyes may be too heavy.

What size rod are you using to toss these flies. For bass you might consider a black one.

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I've tried melting a cup in the nose of my foam poppers.... not nearly as good as just slanting .... just as Frank says.
I epoxy over the foam sometimes, they hold up to bluefish much better than without and they don't pick up dirt... but it only takes me a few minutes to build one so I rarely bother.
The ones I did for a swap earlier year got 3 coats.... drove me nuts that they took so long
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Hi rmooney,

I think you did a great job. Here are some suggestions you might want to try.

1. The Popper

When I was making poppers I found a flat face like you have didn't work as well as a slanted face. That is the bottom of the popper face is shorter than the top. The reason I preferred that was because it would throw water forward instead of just making waves. You can hollow out the face a bit and with some experimenting you will get a good bit of water forward. If you need more flotation you can take a Demal tool and hollow out the back of the popper when you have it slanted. You can really remove a lot of material and it won't affect its ability to pop and throw water.

2. The Orange Fly

That looks really good but your eyes may be too heavy.

What size rod are you using to toss these flies. For bass you might consider a black one.

Frank
thanks for the input frank. on the popper, i have hollowed out the front with a piece of sandpaper glued to a pencil (my hands killed after sanding a hole in the face!)

yeah, these flies are pretty darn heavy. i use a 5 weight to toss these (its really the only working set up i have. its hard to use these heavy flies with my rod, but i get used to it. i have to modify my casting A LOT. i plan on getting a heavy pike/bass fly rod this winter though.

i wasnt sure if the bass would rather hit a flourescent fly or a black fly, i do have a couple grizzly flies that are similar.
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I would think that the demise of either fly would be more likely from a bad backcast or some other accident than a fish harming them. I Pike fish alot and use the Reynolds Pike fly almost always. Pike do more damage to flies than bass by leaps and bounds. My Reynold's Pike flies almost always meet their end on a dock post, tree, or some other thing I accidentally whack behind me. I have flies I caught dozens of fish on that look essentially new. If tough is what you are looking for you have it there.
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The flies look great. I have three suggestions for the popper.

1. Add an inline weed made from heavy monofilament. That will help limit snags.

2. Paint it frog color: green on top, yellow on the bottom with black spots on the side. Make sure the marabou tail matches.

3. Tie up a dozen for me (just kidding).

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Good looking flies. A couple of suggestions. I have used balsa before for bass bugs and the do work, so does cork. If you want a light weight popper you can buy a pair of foam flip flops in any color you like and cut out your poppers with a single edge razor blade. I have a friend that cuts out round bodies with a copper tube that is sharpened on one end, either way the bodies are extremely light. Without a word of a lie these poppers last just about forever. All you have to do is change the tail after it wears out. You may also want to visit a hardware store and pick up a couple of drill bits that have sanding heads on them. Excellent for doing cupped faces on poppers.
As for the streamer to make that more durable use some leather cement on the hook shank before you wrap the crosscut rabbit. What happens is the cement will be compressed by the rabbit strip and when dry will give you a body that will last and last. If you epoxy the head the fly is virtually indestructable. Hope this helps.
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Default Re: heavy duty bass flies

Both flies look extremely durable, but I'm not sure making individual flies as durable as possible is the best way to go.

What I'm getting at is that a super durable popper is likely to last 2x as long as a more quickly tied popper, but may take 4x as long to build from start to finish. I'm one that'd definitely proud to fish a fly that is a beautiful creation, but what I might enjoy even more is fishing a fly with three ingredients that took me 5 minutes to tie up. (I'm also probably more likely to cast it into tight spots that have both strong likelihood of fish and snags)

The general recipe is this: foam head, with easy eyes (sharpie or superglued doll eyes) make a tail with lots of flash and movement. This can be done for poppers, floating minnows, crease flies, etc.
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To claify, I tied the flies in the middle photo, not all of these.
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