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Old 03-15-2005, 04:53 PM
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For a rookie, you sure managed to find a controversy in a hurry.
I am impressed with the way this thread went to, the flames would still be burning bright on some other boards I have been watching lately.

Maybe this topic would make for an interesting discussion in a thread of it's own. The balance between management of a resource, total catch and release, taking for consumption, or even completely destroying a non-native species to restore the original environment is a tough balance to achieve but is something that is being dealt with all over this country and the world. I think the people on this board have a wide range of experience with different localities and species and, if we can keep it as civilized as this thread has been (couldn't do this on uotf), we might all gain from the experience.
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The way I see it. In certain instances, catch and kill, as per Carp, is needed. Look at some of the waters in N.Cal. Like Lake Berryessa. Carp are not a catch and eat species, IMO, yet can quickly over populate a lake. So then what?
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Good point.
A similar thing happened in another N. Cal lake where someone put in Northern Pike. They soon took over and threatened (so the experts said) to spread to other lakes and nearby rivers. The "authorities" (keeping them nameless here) decided to poison all the fish in the lake (including the browns) to get rid of the Pike. It didn't work but it sure wiped out the fishery for a few years (and they got sued by the businesses in the area that were supported by fishing and camping).
And yet.... I suspect there are cases where invasive species were controlled to the benefit of native/acceptable species.
Tough call.
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The way I see it. In certain instances, catch and kill, as per Carp, is needed. Look at some of the waters in N.Cal. Like Lake Berryessa. Carp are not a catch and eat species, IMO, yet can quickly over populate a lake. So then what?
Yeah, I guess you have a point there. If noone eats them, they will overpop real quick. Okay, at least take them home and bury them under the rose bushes for fertilizer or use them as cutbait or something. I just hate seeing them thrown on the banks suffocating or rotting.

WD- No harm at all. Just a discussion. I wasn't feeling like it was a battle or anything. I find it encouraging that people can express differing opinions without becoming upset.
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I find it encouraging that people can express differing opinions without becoming upset.
SHUT UP! What do you know anyways? hehehe

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Yeah, I guess you have a point there. If noone eats them, they will overpop real quick. Okay, at least take them home and bury them under the rose bushes for fertilizer or use them as cutbait or something. I just hate seeing them thrown on the banks suffocating or rotting.
But...
That makes each person responsible for knowing when it is a good idea to use them for fertilizer (or eat them) and when it is a good idea to return them. I know I don't always have the information to make this decision.
As a biologist (at least in education, if not employment) I think this decision should not be made lightly. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes, especially in complicated stream ecosystems and trout, it is not.
Complicated thing, this fly fishing......
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SHUT UP! What do you know anyways? hehehe

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Looking forward to them. And I could catch em' on bare hooks.
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I was hoping that if we kept telling these huge carp stories, you would get so excited that you would let go a few tidbit pointers about actually catching them on a fly....
Never happen in an open forum.


Kidding.. Things to think about.

1: STEALTH.
2: What are they feeding on?
3: Long ass accurate casts, are generally a must.
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Kidding.. Things to think about.

1: STEALTH.
2: What are they feeding on?
3: Long ass accurate casts, are generally a must.
Now you really have me thinking.
Stealth and long casts are not what I would have expected from carp. I have had log size ones swim within 2 feet of me when I was wading for LMB.
This summer, when the local rivers are no longer flowing, I am going after carp for sure.
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