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Old 03-15-2012, 08:42 AM
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Question Size and shape matters?

Get your head out of the gutter.

My new challenge for this year is to catch a Walleye (and a sizable Pike) on the fly. DiverDan has been really helpful, but what I want to know is; In the spring, do you use a smaller streamer (if your going with a streamer pattern) or a smaller baitfish pattern? Or, do you stick with an average sized streamer for anytime of year?
Does the same thing apply to a Pike?

The overview is like this. I'm heading out to my local river (small in size) today and I don't want to throw a streamer pattern that's going to do little more than spook the fish. The water has about a foot of visibility so I need something that will show up, but still hunt fish. I thought I knew how to size hooks, but last year I caught a small Crappie on a 2/0 hook and a 17" LM Bass on a #10 hook. Now I'm not sure what to think.

Let me know what you think.....please.
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Smaller, subdued and slow early on as the water temps keep the fishes metabolism down. Then depending on the water clarity, and the way the fish react, go from subdued to brighter colors, etc.
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Thank you Chuck. That's sort of what I was thinking, but I wanted to verify that. Videos on Youtube kind of makes it seem like bright bold and gaudy works all year, but that didn't make sense to me.
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No experience with walleye or pike, but for bass I go with a large baitfish imitation (relative to the species of baitfish I'm imitating). There are few of the small ones left when spring arrives. Winter is tough and most of the offspring that didn't obtain good size before winter hit will have died off.
A larger imitation looks more natural in early spring.
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I have to laugh at all of the theories regarding fishing and what will work and why....

Wabi's post above is a perfect example. Everything he has said makes perfect sense-- but I had never though about it. I will definitely try this approach-- wabi has never let me down with any of his other suggestions/ posts....
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Yeah, ok, that definately makes sense when you think about it. I'm definately going to give that a try.
I have seen some action on a black and red whooly bugger, but no serious takers yet.
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A larger imitation looks more natural in early spring.
Very good point. The flies I am going to use for Pike this Spring are all at least 6 inches long. A 3 inch fly is not to big for Spring Walleye either. You may not want to fish them at a real fast speed. I'd bet the best fly for the Walleye is the Clouser Minnow. I've come to the conclusion there is not much you can't get with a blue/white Clouser.

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For Walleye, my favorite in early season, is a yellow maribou Muddler fished with a red corky (small steelhead float) right in front of the fly. I fish it on about a 6 ft leader and at the line leader junction I use about a one ft long strip of fast sink line, looped on and dangling. When trying to find them use a bit of worm on the fly but once located you can do without that. This is much akin to fishing a three way rig for walleyes and yes, I've even added a colorado blade spinner in front of that fly.

That muddler has a brown head and some yellow maribou and where it nailed the "eyes," was Lake Roosevelt behind Grand Coulee up near the mouth of the Spokane River.

For Pike, my favorite, and my bosses (six IGFA Pike world records) was a red and white fly tied with Salt Water Hackle or Shlappen about 6-8 inches long and with a red Palmered head and about six feathers back with bucktail surrounding them Deceiver style to keep hook fouling down. Without the bucktail use a mono loop back from the tail about 2 inches long.
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DiverDan- We have a continuous season here except for a few lakes. Where I'm at there are no seasons .

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Great advice guys. I think Ive been thinking about it all wrong. I have been going smaller as if it were late spring.
I am going to try a bigger fly and fish it slower and see what happens. Thank you!
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