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Default Is there a "code" for carp fishing?

My sons & I have a couple spots we've been dancing with the gars, with some real success.

However we see some really nice carps but can't get a hit at all. My question is, would we be breaking an imaginary line or code if we use scent on a fly?

In the salt water along the souther coast Gulp lures are very very productive as they have color & action but with the added bonus of scent.

We have considered "scenting" some yarn crab/buy patterens to see if we can persuade these picky carp into picking up our fly. We wouldn't be putting dough ball or worms on the hook, just trying to sweeten the offering a bit.

Guess we have some very selective runoff rubber lips down here.

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Think scent should work on carp...carp specialists use perfumed "boilies"...(strawberry,banana,corn,honey.... etc...)but they throw boilies in the pond or the lake with a sling or a little remote controlled boat...several days before..
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I believe people get too worked up over "true" fly fishing and what not, If its legal go have fun.
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I believe people get too worked up over "true" fly fishing and what not, If its legal go have fun.
It's like cheating at solitare, or french kissing your grandma. For me anyway. If you put scent on a fly, it's no different than bait fishing. That's how I feel. If you want to do it, and like Kyle mentioned, if it's legal, go do it. Half the fun/challenge of sight fishing to carp is getting them to take the fly, whatever it might be.
Again, that's only my opinion.
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It's like cheating at solitare, or french kissing your grandma. For me anyway. If you put scent on a fly, it's no different than bait fishing. That's how I feel. If you want to do it, and like Kyle mentioned, if it's legal, go do it. Half the fun/challenge of sight fishing to carp is getting them to take the fly, whatever it might be.
Again, that's only my opinion.

I agree. Carp feed primarily by scent. So, you stink up your fly you are basically bait fishing. Not that there is anything wrong with that....

I think however your problem is probably the fish you are targeting. Unless you are targeting carp that are actively feeding, you are probably not going to have any success. If the carp are just sun bathing in one spot. mating or look like they are moving with a purpose, you are not going to get them to respond to your presentation.

Those are a few of the reasons carp on the fly is more difficult that most imagine.
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Use natural stink. mash your fly into some mud/silt at the waters edge to get the human scent and get some nice local mud goo on it. helps make the fly seem more like something that belongs in the water.
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Default Re: Is there a "code" for carp fishing?

If you sight fishing for carp cruising about on the surface. Chuck some chunks of bread out to get them feeding then fish your fly over the top. I guess it could be considered "cheating". But it works

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Default Re: Is there a "code" for carp fishing?

In OR, a scentd fly is legally considered bait. Nothing illegal or unethical about it, but I would consider it bait fishing. Chumming is illegal in OR as well. Personally, I wouldn't do either. My guess is van is correct and it is simply a matter of finding the right targets. When most people see carp, they are seeing sunning fish...you want to find feeding fish, which are usually in different water than sunning fish.

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I've never scented a fly but that doesn't mean it's wrong if it's legal where you fish. I had an Uncle in the UP of Michigan that trolled for lake trout with large deer hair flies on a down rigger and he would have a chunk of sucker meat on the hook of the fly. Sounds funny but he always caught a boat load of lake trout on Lake Superior.
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You need to pick your targets if you want to successfully catch carp on the fly with a level of regularity.

I generally ignore the following types of fish:
1. Suspended/neutral fish - these fish almost always produce zero action and waste time that could be spent on better targets.

2. sunbathers - if you see a carp laying almost motionless with its back out of the water, he has almost no interest in food.

3. Fleeing fish - if a fish is speeding away, he is spooked and will not hit anything.

I look for fish that are actively feeding

1. rooters - these fish are actively sucking up the bottom in search of food. These are prime targets and can be spotted by looking for plumes of mud clouds. Present a fly within a foot of him and he will eat it.

2. The up toppers - these are fish that are actively eating a clump of floating algae or insects off the top. For these, I like a fly called the devil bug or even a stimmie.

3. Jaws - it's hard to describe what this looks like but try to picture a big shark who is in obvious hunting mode. They are on the move but it's apparent that they are excited and looking for food. These carp are rare but when you find them, present a crayfish or even leech pattern to these guys and look for an aggressive strike. A great fly carper who goes by McTage (might even be on this site) calls them the "seek and destroy" carp.


Finally, when it comes to the hook set, it's all about either visibly seeing the fly go into that fish's mouth or gut instinct. The more you catch these things, the more you will understand the takes.

Here is a great blog post about the different behaviors and what fish to look for
http://www.flycarpin.com/p/how-to-fl...-for-carp.html
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