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Old 10-24-2012, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: Best line for lake and pond fishing?

Get a floating line. For getting deeper use a long leader, or use a couple of feet of fast sink line to make a short section to loop to loop between your floating line and leader. Or as I've also seen, use six inches to a foot of lead core, looped in. This rig allows you to use the floating line which for fishing floating flies and flies where you don't need to hug bottom or then add that fast sink section to get down. Here's a thought: http://www.flyfisherman.com/2011/09/...#axzz2AGKehpn2
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If you really are serious, floating, intermediate, type II, type III, and a V or VII.
That way all bases are covered for all waters and you won't have any money left to do anything else but fish.
Then when the bank book is back to normal(?), it's time to think about a float tube or kickboat. Expand your horizons young man.
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Dude you are definitely not doing something. Sinking lines on stillwater are a must!

The fact you catch more with spinning is just your ability to use sinking line correctly is lacking.

I have out fished many a spin fishers on local ponds.
Joni,

Thanks so very much! I needed that encouragement!

I have a $800 Helios, but I have been using my $50 UL spin most of the time.

I already have a float tube (I just got my Scradden Flip Fins) and I'll be giving the crappie a shot in a couple days when this storm is done.

I'll put my sink line on tonight, and use a short flouro leader and see what happens.

My best success with a UL spin was: Gulp Alive 1" minnows on a 1/64 oz jig head with 2lb NanoFil line. Do you think a Gulp Minnow nose hooked or maybe a small white streamer would be the ticket?
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My favorite stillwater line is a full sinking camo intermediate. I use it primarily for stripping streamers. The line sinks at a rate of 1 inch per second. I think a slow sink is better than a fast sinking line. In my opinion the intermediate line keeps the fly on a horizontal plane longer than other lines in the zone I want to fish. I count down before stripping and strip at different lenghts and pauses until I find a pattern that works. The line does not create a surface disturbance as it is full sinking. I keep the rod tip close to the water when stripping and strip strike when I feel a fish. I usually have a second rod in the boat with a floating line for midge fishing. I recommend reading books and articals by Denny Rickards and Brian Chan.
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I like Type II. I use that more than anything else. I do use an intermediate, and as you said you can count down. but most times I need to get down quicker. I say most times. Fall and Spring is Intermediate all the way, but in the warmer months, Type II, III and even that Deep Six and Type VII.
I just think if I could only have one sinking line, it would be Density Compensated Type II. Just me and my style. Fore shallow runners, a Floating line with a long leader.
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It is possible to flip a fly out and catch a fish, but to do it anywhere, anytime, any species with fly gear requires time spent.
I have out fished many a spin fishers on local ponds.
Well said. A few years back I had someone bet me they could get far more Smallies with a spinning rod than I could on a fly rod. I lost count of the ones I caught at a number I am not going to share because you would think I was telling fish stories. I beat him by multiples of what he caught. In fact if you get to know what you are doing, in many situations, it's pretty hard to beat a person good with a fly rod. I do not say this to brag up fly fishing, or denegrate gear casters. I say it as a person who knows both very well and it's a fact. A pond and panfish is one of those instances.
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My favorite stillwater line is a full sinking camo intermediate. I use it primarily for stripping streamers. The line sinks at a rate of 1 inch per second. I think a slow sink is better than a fast sinking line. In my opinion the intermediate line keeps the fly on a horizontal plane longer than other lines in the zone I want to fish. I count down before stripping and strip at different lenghts and pauses until I find a pattern that works. The line does not create a surface disturbance as it is full sinking. I keep the rod tip close to the water when stripping and strip strike when I feel a fish. I usually have a second rod in the boat with a floating line for midge fishing. I recommend reading books and articals by Denny Rickards and Brian Chan.
That's if the fish are in the first few feet of the water column. Intermediate is good to about 6'. Fishing into shore where it's shallow and they're feeding, morning and evenings. Later when it warms up, they'll go deeper where it's cooler. Joni and I fish a lot of Idaho stillwaters, and will pick up fish using chironomids using floating line, slip indicator, and up to 30' of leader. Keeping the fly about 18" to 2' off the bottom.
Same chironomid, same lake but using a type VII sinker, casting out the amount of line equal to the depth you fish, and a slow figure 8 retrieve after the line has sunk and is straight below you. Now this is from a tube, toon or boat. The takes are jarring.

When using streamers, buggers etc. if the target is 15'-20' down, it'll take quite a while for an intermediate to sink to that level. That's where a type II or III excels. Streamers, buggers etc.
An intermediate, type I or II will eventually get down deep, but it takes a long time which takes away from fishing. Match the sinking line with the depth the fish are, and you'll be a more effective fisherman, not a lucky one.
Todays density compensated sinking lines are supposed to keep the fly at the same depth through the retreive, no matter what the depth ( within reason of course). These lines will keep the fly in the zone same as your intermediate.
My biggest b1tch with the Cortland Clear Camo is the memory it has. You have to stretch it damn near every time you use it.
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Default Re: Best line for lake and pond fishing?

I went out today with some class III sink tip line. A Cabelas cheapo, but it worked fine.

Hurricane Sandy raised this lake a few feet, but it was clear like it always is. I was smackin' the crappie pretty good today. They were about 3' off the bottom in 15' of water.

I tried a small jighead with a Gulp Alive 1" minnow, but the most hits came from a unweighted white woolybugger size 10. I left the hackle pretty long and a bright red thread head.

The line would sink pretty fast (about 4" per second) and the unweighted streamer would pulsate and suspend with a killer action.

This made me a believer again! The small feather fly was outfishing the stinkin' scented soft plastic!!

PS- These Dave Scadden "Flip Fins" are really neat. They are big like diver fins, and they flip up so I can walk without falling in the lake! LOL

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Todays density compensated sinking lines are supposed to keep the fly at the same depth through the retreive, no matter what the depth ( within reason of course).
That's good to know. The reason I like a slow sinking line is so that it will not sink much on a slow retrieve or on the pause. Frankly, it's kind of hard to believe a high density line won't sink on the retrieve though. I prefer fishing still waters when the Trout are actively feeding in the shallows from the surface to about 6 ft. I can't stand counting down past 30. When the fish go deep I am off fishing the rivers for Trout and Steelhead both winter and summer. However, when the rivers are blown out I may give one of the high d lines a try on the pond. It's nice to have it all... Thanks for your info.

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Hey cjam:

Wanted to clue you in on something.

Lots of the commercially made flies you buy, cut their own costs by eliminating Lead Wraps on their Nymphs, Streamers and flies that are supposed to be Wet.

I recommend you tie your own stuff, and get it down, with at least 6 or more wraps. A Scientfic Anglers Full Sinking VI (full sinking 6) will get stuff down for you pretty quick.
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