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rockdog23 03-09-2013 01:55 PM

Length rod
 
I am going to be floating several smaller rivers this summer for muskies, I am looking at getting a new fly rod and was wondering what thoughts are on a rod length. Would a shorter rod work(Echo84 type) or should I stick with a
9', I will be going with a 10 weight and will be throwing mostly big streamers with the hope of some big poppers if I can get a topwater bite going.
Thanks,

raindogt 03-09-2013 03:04 PM

Re: Length rod
 
Hey rockdog, Firstly, Welcome!

I'm not sure what a small river is to you, so it is hard to recommend something on that criteria alone. I'd say look further than just a handful of floats. Get a rod that will be useful in the future, but fit the bill for these trips as well. even if that means undergunning on the rod a little. Also, get the rod early and use it. Slinging a 10 wt. all day is no easy thing. You can't pick it up on Fri., go on your float Saturday and expect to last very long.....

Guest1 03-09-2013 05:21 PM

Re: Length rod
 
Welcome to the forum. By float I assume you mean tube or pontoon. In the event I guessed right, you don't want short.

Second, even if you are not going in a tube, and are doing it in more of a drift boat type situation, many times Musky are setting in shallow water and you don't want to be running over the top of them. Getting a decent distance will allow you to cover more water in a more efficient manner.That kind of rules out shorter as well.

I don't see the need to go longer than 9 foot, but I would not want to go shorter either. My rod of choice would be a 9' 10 wt.

bugslinger 03-21-2013 05:07 PM

Re: Length rod
 
Welcome to the forum, Dan and I agree many times on many things, just not on this one. Here's my two cents; The longer the rod ,the more leverage you have to cast,fight fish and roll cast back to the spot where the fish missed your fly or you were sleeping. A longer rod is always easier to cast than a shorter one of equal quality and speed. It takes less energy to do so,and that means you can fish longer. Musky are elusive ambush predators that take alot of casting to catch. My advice is to err on the long side, 10 ft. is not a long rod. If I were after Musky the Spey would be my rod of choice as close to the water you are, in a float tube,pontoon etc.


Charlie

ditz 03-22-2013 11:51 AM

Re: Length rod
 
I have found that my 6' 5wt is much less stressful to cast over a long day than my 8 1/2' 5wt. If I have an open casting area and I am intending to cast 50 to 60' all day I would probable pic the longer rod. If there is a lot of overhead tree conapy I would try to make a little shorter casts and choose a shorter rod. I have found it to be tuff fishing with my fly in the trees. I really like my short rods on the creeks but all my salty rods are 9'. The right tool for job.

I have never done a search but I bet a 8' 10wt is quite scarce other than custom built.

nick k 03-22-2013 02:19 PM

Re: Length rod
 
I float tube A LOT in the summer on ponds/lakes/rivers for largemouth. I use a 9'0'' 6wt and I have never had any problem with its length.

Rip Tide 03-22-2013 02:45 PM

Re: Length rod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bugslinger (Post 539337)
The longer the rod ,the more leverage you have to cast,fight fish and roll cast back to the spot where the fish missed your fly or you were sleeping. A longer rod is always easier to cast than a shorter one of equal quality and speed. It takes less energy to do so,and that means you can fish longer.

:confused:
Not only do you not have more leverage with the end of your "lever" being further away from the "fulcrum", but air resistance on a longer rod is greater meaning you expend more energy rather than less

nick k 03-22-2013 02:53 PM

Re: Length rod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rip Tide (Post 539656)
:confused:
Not only do you not have more leverage with the end of your "lever" being further away from the "fulcrum", but air resistance on a longer rod is greater meaning you expend more energy rather than less

True. As proved by the EXTREMELY thorough thread a few days ago. Longer rods have LESS leveraging power against fish.

Not saying don't go with one, like I said, I use a 9'0'' when I tube and have never had a second thought about it, but that is just not a true statement.

bugslinger 03-22-2013 03:40 PM

Re: Length rod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rip Tide (Post 539656)
:confused:
Not only do you not have more leverage with the end of your "lever" being further away from the "fulcrum", but air resistance on a longer rod is greater meaning you expend more energy rather than less

I gave you a like becuase I think you were sincere, midguided but none the less sincere. On a two handed rod a.k.a. the Spey the fulcrum is the distance between top and bottom hand usualy an inch or so in front of the reel . The rod is the lever and the line/leader/fly is the weight. This is a general balance point all depending on rod leangth,cast,and grip location,grip length, and reel weight. The longer rod will always generate more wind resistancce because their is more surface area. Instead of going on with a long winded answer, use this test. Take a 8 ft bar and lift a 100 lb weight 1 ft. Take the same weight an lift distance and use a 14 ft bar. The longer bar will use less energy than the shorter, the same way the Spey will throw farther with less energy all day and all night.;)


Charlie

chuck s 03-22-2013 04:35 PM

Re: Length rod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rockdog23 (Post 534997)
I am going to be floating several smaller rivers this summer for muskies, I am looking at getting a new fly rod and was wondering what thoughts are on a rod length. Would a shorter rod work(Echo84 type) or should I stick with a
9', I will be going with a 10 weight and will be throwing mostly big streamers with the hope of some big poppers if I can get a topwater bite going.
Thanks,

The best advice I could give you is to find a well stocked fly shop as I did and then try a given rod in various lengths. :icon_idea The test I did with the old RPLX series was with three rods, all 8 weights, and one in a 8ft 9 inch length, one in 9 ft and one in 9ft6 inch length. The shortest one was a delight, the 9 ft rod, my usual choice of rod length under 8 weight, was a tad bit to swing and the 9'6" was a killer. Given a ten I'd always go for a rod in that 8 ft to 8'6" range if available for starts. However that's my comfort level not yours so go try before you buy.:)

As far as long or short when sitting in a float tube over sitting or standing on a boat, I've found that it's nothing more than a simple adjustment of backcast height/angle and has little to do with rod length. :shades: Longer rods give more reach and reach is necessary when mending, dapping, high sticking, etc and a longer rod is great as long as it's not too stiff, or heavy, as then the lever you are working with is excessive for most folks.:(


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