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random user 05-23-2013 05:39 PM

I need some schoolin'
 
Warm water and still water are not something I know much about. Was asked today to "Pick up a bucket of white perch for me the next time you go." Not so sure what white perch are here in southern New England, but I think I can figure that out (, unless someone wants to google it for me).

My questions are is a 5-weight a good plan?

Should I be thinking of something other than muddlers, buggers and clousers in olive, chart, white and yellow? What size? Maybe some small sliders? I guess these things are in the 3/4 - 2 pound range.

I'll own it. I'm kind of clueless here and need some help, guidence, and education. Don't worry about being too gentle with the 2x4 o' Enlightenment.

Thanks much.

Hardyreels 05-23-2013 06:05 PM

Re: I need some schoolin'
 
PM to Rip Tide, he seems to know your area and fish real well.

Ard

Rip Tide 05-24-2013 08:48 AM

Re: I need some schoolin'
 
White perch are anadromous here in southern New England and this time of year you might find schools up in major rivers, but I wouldn't count on it. Try the mouth of a good sized tributary to a large river.
Fresh out of the salt in March they eat grass shrimp, but once they've been in the rivers for a while try a smallish flashy streamer.
If you really want to catch a "mess" of 'em go to southern or "down east" Maine.
They're very common in the lakes and they get big and hungry.

random user 05-24-2013 01:47 PM

Re: I need some schoolin'
 
Thanks for the info. You pretty much summed up what innerwebz showed me.

I guessing that what the guy was asking for isn't an actual "white perch" (which isn't even a perch), but some kind of pan fish which is prevalent in the local lakes and called a white perch. Do know that is considered a nuisance fish by those I have talked to locally (depleting the food for bass).

Next best guess is that it may be a white crappie or something similar. So, smaller, trout-sized muddlers and buggers and clousers and maybe a few big soft hackles and some flashy sliders are going to be the ammunition thrown off a 5 weight. Then I guess it is just basically hunting down a school or two.

It's a challenge for me, but sounds like fun - never tried to target something I have no first hand experience with.) Apparently they are very good eating. All I am really sure of is "They're all over the place, and they'll hit anything." (Sounds like an annoying by-catch fish to me.)

Thanks agian for the help.

Rip Tide 05-24-2013 03:02 PM

Re: I need some schoolin'
 
We don't have white crappie around here, only black.
White perch are common and people are not that likely to mistake their name. There are yellow perch of course, but there's no other pan fish around that might be mistaken for white perch.
I suppose that you'll find the land-locked white perch in some of the larger lakes here in southern NewEngland like Quabbin or
Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg (Webster Lake :D). But in smaller lakes and ponds.... I don't think so.


They're food fish, not a game fish so I could see why people might think that they're a nuisance. They don't annoy me. When I was a kid we used to catch them by the boat full. I still like to go for them in the early spring as they're just about the only game in town.

nick k 05-24-2013 03:23 PM

Re: I need some schoolin'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by random user (Post 559144)
Thanks for the info. You pretty much summed up what innerwebz showed me.

You can always rely on the interwebz for good info....except all that stuff on mybook or spaceface.

vanish 05-24-2013 03:59 PM

Re: I need some schoolin'
 
White Perch Vs White Bass

Very easy to get confused, but definitely different. Bass have the stripes.

Perch
http://josenhansflyfishing.files.wor...img_0079-1.jpg

Bass
http://www.lakeeriesportfishing.com/...white-bass.jpg

random user 05-25-2013 12:18 AM

Re: I need some schoolin'
 
Like I said, I need some schoolin'. I'm not even sure what I'll be going after. Do know they are in lake chauncy and lake whitehall.

Tied up some
Olive/ sparse black / chart/ white clousers on #10 9672's with 1/50 oz dumbbells,
Light to dark olive weighted woolly buggers on #10 9672's
Tan muddlers on #10 9672's
Olive/ Yellow foam bugs on #10 9672's

Still need to do some yellow muddlers, some big soft hackles and some divers/sliders.

Hope they are not picky about size.

Any suggestion or wild guesses are very welcome.

bigjim5589 05-25-2013 06:18 AM

Re: I need some schoolin'
 
We have some decent size White Perch here in the Chesapeake bay area. They're occasionally caught up to about 15", but most are about 9 or 10". Excellent table fare, one of my favorites. As Rip said, small, flashy flies are what I use when targeting them. They get far up into some of the rivers & streams, but most are caught in the tidal rivers & creeks. Some of the reservoirs here have both perch species in them as well. I suspect transplanted via water birds.

I recall catching them in the Gunpowder River many years ago while fishing for trout. I was at the section just below Prettyboy Dam, which is a long ways upstream from the tidal waters.

I've heard some southern folks call Crappies by that name, but some also call them Specks. Which is a name used for Spotted Seatrout too. Local names can be confusing. Some folks call Yellow Perch "Neds" and no one seems to know why! My grand father called Largemouth Bass, "Green Trout"! When I was a kid visiting my grand parents, that name always confused me!

Here's some of the flies I use for both species of Perch, and they work as well on Crappies.

I've posted pictures of these before. They're basically Bonefish or "Flats" type flies. Sizes range from 8 to 2, but 4 or 6 are probably what I would use most.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4453.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4454.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4452.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4451.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4450.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4449.jpg

I've posted these too before, and they work quite well on White Perch.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps7d7c83f5.jpg

Size 6 white streamers. Un-weighted.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4519.jpg

Woolly Buggers work as well as anything for Perch, and the Clousers in this box are great for them. They're basically tied with bead chain eyes, & fox fur over Polar Flash or all Polar Flash. These are all size 6
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4263.jpg

These are flies I use for Shad & various panfishes, including White Perch.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4257.jpg

Another fly I like for Shad & panfishes. It's a variation of a Goldie or Kreelex.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4132.jpg

random user 05-25-2013 08:45 AM

Re: I need some schoolin'
 
Thanks for the images. Gives me a better idea of which way to head.

From the looks of those I'm after head strikers and I have been tying for tail strikers.

Guess I'll finish off what I have planed. (Need to continue to retrain the fingers and eyes any ways.) Then go with some Crazy Charlies, Deceivers, Clousers and Sedducers all tied on the flashy side on shorter shank, larger hooks; maybe dig threw my box of salt water examples and see what's in there.

Would a Mustad 3366 be a good hook choice for them?

It's weird, I have this aversion to tying bright flashy flies. When I started tying flies for river run smallies, I had a bit of a time adjusting to some of the material I was using. A long time ago, I tied up a couple Electric Mickey Finns (Flo orange and Chart) and ended up not fishing them much and taking them out of my streamer box even though they would pick up stocked rainbows sometimes. Removed them because they bothered me.


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