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Old 06-14-2013, 05:47 PM
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Boyscout, those are a good looking group of flies. You & I are on the same page here, & you've actually enforced my point. An average ink pen is about 5-6" long, so judging by that, your flies are approximately around 4" or so, which is a good size for LM bass. If you're consistently catching SM bass with those flies, then that's exactly what I was saying. The same flies can be used for both species of bass. No doubt there's a time & place to go smaller, but the flies you've posted work well!

Nice looking LM too!

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Old 06-14-2013, 06:33 PM
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As far as I'm concerned there's a big difference between smallmouth and large mouth flies.
Smallmouth like 'fast food'. They like to chase flies that are moving. Things like rubber legs and wiggly hackle are a waste. What you need are aerodynamic flies that can be cast a distance and can be easily retrieved making a wake or other disturbance that will draw the smallmouth's attention.

Large mouth on the other hand like flies that have action even while sitting still.
They will sit there watching the smallest twitch of a fly. Biding their time until they decide that it's the right time to attack.
That's when your fly need plenty of wiggly stuff like rubber legs, marabou, and hackles.

Most people don't understand this.
Different fish, different flies
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Thanks, BigJiim for the compliment.

That river in the pic has a good mix of LM and SM. Funny thing is the LM will be in the same spots as the SM. Some days I catch almost all LM and others I catch almost all SM and then there are days it is a mixed up a lot. I catch them on the same exact flies retrieved the exact same way. That may be a unique situation because both species are in the same conditions like depth, current, temps, etc. heck, they will be in the same eddie so that may be why.

One thing I have found is that LM act differently in rivers especially in ones with shoals that put O2 in the water. I slow my retrieve some in lakes and will throw slightly bigger flies.

There is another river I fish that has almost all smallies and the average size is much smaller than the other river. There I tend to throw smaller flies and have seen a difference in numbers between 2 different sizes of the same fly on the same day. Those fish in that river prefered smaller flies.

Another factor is geographic location. Rip Tide, looks like yu are in CT, I fish in SC and NC so maybe our fish are a little different.

When I went down to the Glades to get some snook, I refused to tie up saltwater flies, I just took my bass fly boxes. Same chartrues/white 1/0 Deciever I catch bass on got me this little guy.

Same fly, different fish, different world down there. Some people just don't understand.

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Default Re: New to fly fishing for bass

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As far as I'm concerned there's a big difference between smallmouth and large mouth flies.
Smallmouth like 'fast food'. They like to chase flies that are moving. Things like rubber legs and wiggly hackle are a waste. What you need are aerodynamic flies that can be cast a distance and can be easily retrieved making a wake or other disturbance that will draw the smallmouth's attention.

Large mouth on the other hand like flies that have action even while sitting still.
They will sit there watching the smallest twitch of a fly. Biding their time until they decide that it's the right time to attack.
That's when your fly need plenty of wiggly stuff like rubber legs, marabou, and hackles.

Most people don't understand this.
Different fish, different flies
Never thought of it that way, but it sums up what I have experienced. River run smalls = "keep away" show them the fly and try to keep it away from them and you could really work a deep pool with structure. What little large mouth experience I have is all about covering water = drop it , wait twitch it, wait, retrieve a bit wait, pick it up and drop it at the next spot on the weed bed.
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Hi guys new here, also fairly new to fly fishing but from a more biological stand point you have to think about the energy a bass uses to catch a small prey is the same amount needed for a larger prey. But the larger prey gives the bass more energy therefore given the option the bass would go for a larger bait. That being said if a smaller prey pasted right in front of a bass it will probably take it.

So bigger bait does mean bigger bass. But I feel that you may catch more bass with a smaller sized bait, both ambitious young bass and larger bass looking for a quick meal. Also think about the bass in your area and maybe adjust your bait to the average size bass in the body of water.

Now I do have a quick kinda related question in the regards to a roll cast (I noticed you said you were working on yours and as am I) I know the classic retrieve is 'cast, strip, strip, strip.. recast repeat' Where I have trouble is after stripping most the line in I have a hard time shooting the line I've stripped in. Can anyone give me some pointers?
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Now I do have a quick kinda related question in the regards to a roll cast (I noticed you said you were working on yours and as am I) I know the classic retrieve is 'cast, strip, strip, strip.. recast repeat' Where I have trouble is after stripping most the line in I have a hard time shooting the line I've stripped in. Can anyone give me some pointers?
With a roll cast ?

Shake a good deal of the line you'll be using back out of the rod tip.
Keep moving the line back and forth until the line is completely in motion right down to the tip
Make your roll cast.
If your fly doesn't end up where you'd like it, lift the tip and quickly roll cast again before the line has a chance to get stuck in the water surface

It's simple once you understand that the line has to be in motion right to the tip before you can "pick-up" and make the cast
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I dont know if any body else has posted this but one thing that I have learned during my time fishing for bass with a fly is really how much they love cover and weeds. I have learned that once you know you have set the hook on a bass reel in as quickly as possible before he realizes whats going on. Once he does then you're in for a fight. He'll go straight for a log or weeds or anything that he knows will keep him safe. Make sure you keep him out of there.
Anyway that first quick reelinng in trick has caught me more bass, saved more flies and time not throwing out moss than any other whilst fishing for bass.

I hope this helps and good luck

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Can't thank you guys enough for the tips..Bigjimm5589 it was great having lunch and talking nothing but fishing and allowing me to pick your brain. We'll get together and toss a few soon...work has been getting in the way lately. Hitting the streams tomorrow for trout, but next week it's back to the bass and trying out the tips you guys were so willing to offer.

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