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enolaeagle 07-05-2013 09:25 PM

The Carp Thread
 
I'm intrigued with the new carp phenomenom... I see a lot of separate threads on different sub topics like trips, flies etc... The flies look amazing and simple to produce but i'd like to learn more about this so maybe some of you can weigh in here :D

Here's the kinds of stuff i'd like to know:
*When to fish (night, day or any specific conditions better than others)
*Do you throw your fly and leave it sit like live bait or do you hunt them down and throw it at their nose?
*Has anyone used tandem rigs?
*Should you lightly jig your fly around?
*When making flies, should you use a heavy beadhead eye to flip the hook up? (Id assume weed guards don't matter in this case...)
*Any other fly pattern than grassy stuff that can be effective?

I guess theirs tons of other questions or info that others may want to know like specific equipment.

There's a lot of carp around here in the Susquehanna River. I've seen plenty of people catch them with corn on a hook and at night people will bow fish with a spot light from the boat... I don't know if they're grass carp but interested in giving this a shot.

Any info, pictures, tips are very much appreciated. I've thought of trying a triple tandem rig with a grassy fly then 2 additional flies that look like corn (yellow salmon egg type thingy...)

---------- Post added at 08:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:12 PM ----------

I'm also interested to know hook size for patterns and fly line type that works best (sink tip, full sink or if a floating line will suffice)

Hardyreels 07-05-2013 09:29 PM

Re: The Carp Thread
 
Todd,

If you want to get on the carp thing contact Mike O'Brien, he's from near you. Google him Mike O'Brien Carp Guide and you'll find him. Tell him Ard Stetts sent you. Mike has been fly fishing carp and guiding for them since the 1970's, he's good at it.

He lives up near Hughesville I think but may have moved by now, look him up and he'll make you a carp master in one trip. Aw, what the heck, here's his page; Mike O'Brien fly fishing

Ard

enolaeagle 07-05-2013 10:40 PM

Re: The Carp Thread
 
Thanks Ard.

Doesn't cost me extra to stay in that area since my fifth wheel is in Milton area. I'll call him soon for rates.

In the meantime, I'd still like to learn a little bit here from anyone willing to spill the beans:surprise:

Joni 07-05-2013 11:15 PM

Re: The Carp Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by enolaeagle (Post 569944)
I'm intrigued with the new carp phenomenom... I see a lot of separate threads on different sub topics like trips, flies etc... The flies look amazing and simple to produce but i'd like to learn more about this so maybe some of you can weigh in here :D

Here's the kinds of stuff i'd like to know:
*When to fish (night, day or any specific conditions better than others)
*Do you throw your fly and leave it sit like live bait or do you hunt them down and throw it at their nose?
*Has anyone used tandem rigs?
*Should you lightly jig your fly around?
*When making flies, should you use a heavy beadhead eye to flip the hook up? (Id assume weed guards don't matter in this case...)
*Any other fly pattern than grassy stuff that can be effective?

I guess theirs tons of other questions or info that others may want to know like specific equipment.

There's a lot of carp around here in the Susquehanna River. I've seen plenty of people catch them with corn on a hook and at night people will bow fish with a spot light from the boat... I don't know if they're grass carp but interested in giving this a shot.

Any info, pictures, tips are very much appreciated. I've thought of trying a triple tandem rig with a grassy fly then 2 additional flies that look like corn (yellow salmon egg type thingy...)

---------- Post added at 08:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:12 PM ----------

I'm also interested to know hook size for patterns and fly line type that works best (sink tip, full sink or if a floating line will suffice)


I will share my experience.
1. any time during the day, but in the days lately, earlier is better.
2. I have caught them with a fly under a Thingamabobber when the water is too stained to see them. But, when I can see them. I cast in front or to the front side of them and strip the fly slowly in front of them.
3. I have used a Tandem rig, but not as productive. Caught a couple on one.
4. Yes I will jig the fly, or a little movement, but I use only a few different patterns. A yellow softhackle glow bug has been the best. An olive or a black Gartside Gurgler, Elk Hare Caddis, & Hex. I have also caught them on other patterns but these are the ones I make sure I have. I have also great luck with a Midnight Fire bugger on a Type II line.
The only one that is weighted is the Hex with small dumbbell eyes and it floats hook up, but with the weeds it really doesn't help much other than it can get through the weeds to the Carp.
Yellow is my favorite color for Carp.
This is my style and it works great for me.

nick k 07-06-2013 01:51 PM

Re: The Carp Thread
 
Weighted or unweighted depends on your location. The carp around me don't eat anything unless its on the bottom.

Joni 07-06-2013 02:13 PM

Re: The Carp Thread
 
Bummer...LOL For me they take it bottom, and top. The glow bug is definitely bottom as is the Hex and Buggers. But today, it was top. They hit the Gurgler, with a few off the glow bug. With all the rain, the water was terribly stained so I used the Gurgler as an indicator.

enolaeagle 07-06-2013 03:10 PM

Re: The Carp Thread
 
They pretty much suck the bottom here. I've been looking at some leech patterns, woolly buggers etc...

john montana 07-06-2013 04:00 PM

Re: The Carp Thread
 
My carp eat clams...they rarely feed off the bottom unless there are berries in the water. The biggest thing is knowing their forage so you can find the right visual trigger and make the fly behave properly. Out here, I barely move the fly...they don't chase clams, so if you move it, you just pull it from the fish. I also trout set exclusively for the same reason. If I don't hook them the instant it is in their mouth, they eject and spook. Totally different other places I have fished...it all depends heavily on their main forage.

Other than the forage thing, the most important thing I learned with carp is to realize that you aren't fishing to "fish" but to a single individual fish. Even in a large group I find my success goes way way up when I take the time to identify ONE target, and then make decisions designed to help me catch that one fish. Get closer, change angles, drag and drop, strip or leave fly etc...when I make those calls on an individual fish basis I flat out catch more fish them when I make general decisions and simply fish. It is much more like hunting out here. Carp feed primarily by scent and taste, and since I don't chum nor use scented flies, I have to find actively feeding fish and figure out how to trigger a visual response to a fish that is often "grazing". Really fun and challenging fish! Good luck!

Joni 07-06-2013 04:12 PM

Re: The Carp Thread
 
I agree if you can SEE the fish to target. Most times I cannot. I will see shadows occasionally, but the most part I target swirls and bubble and the nose that pops up here and there.

Lordy, if I could see the fish I would be in heaven.. :-)

And I do cast to clumps of fish so to speak. ;-)

ditz 07-06-2013 05:42 PM

Re: The Carp Thread
 
I have just finished 3 partial days of throwing at carp with little success. I know that I did miss at least 2 or 3 takes out of my ignorance. I have never seen where anyone uses gurglers for carp. I am assuming you are tying them in smaller sizes. #6 to #10 maybe. ...... about the only thing that I did not try was some kind of indicator of which I did not have anything with me that would pass for such an animal. I will include an indicator of some sort in the future.


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