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Default Re: New smallmouth setup, advice please

YouTube - Fly Fishing Minnesota Smallmouth Bass
The angler in the video above is using a 5wt set-up....

I was using a 6wt 9' rod for smallmouth, but it fell out of my canoe and
now lives 20 feet below ! I'd been using 5wts before for smallmouth, and
that's what I'm using now. I can cast a #6 Clouser easily with a 5wt rod and
a 3X leader.
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All Orvis rods are rated for a WF line. Most other rods, Sage, TFO, Redington, etc are all rated for a DT. This is part of why on longer casts, the SUPERDUPERFASTACTIONCASTAMILE rods are so fast. If you used the DT line, the extra weight would kill the rods on the longer casts (over 50') If you get a 5wt Orvis, it is a 4/5, whereas a 5wt Sage is a 5/6. Making sense?

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Thanks. Makes sense. Didn't know this. Good info.

This means my 2wt superfine is really a 1/2 wt? Sweet!
Nope. Bad info.

The good rod designers design the rods around using a WFF line in its given weight with a certain action in mind. There is absolutely no way Jerry Seim was expecting folks to be flinging a DT8F line on their new Z-Axis rod.

I don't mean this as an insult at all, I just need to point out that flyflingerandy's take is simply and pretty totally wrong.

Except for the Orvis is wimpy part, of course.
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Anyone had any experience with a tfo axiom? I was looking at those as they are not outrageously priced and i have heard good things about them.
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All Orvis rods are rated for a WF line. Most other rods, Sage, TFO, Redington, etc are all rated for a DT. This is part of why on longer casts, the SUPERDUPERFASTACTIONCASTAMILE rods are so fast. If you used the DT line, the extra weight would kill the rods on the longer casts (over 50') If you get a 5wt Orvis, it is a 4/5, whereas a 5wt Sage is a 5/6. Making sense?



Nope. Bad info.

The good rod designers design the rods around using a WFF line in its given weight with a certain action in mind. There is absolutely no way Jerry Seim was expecting folks to be flinging a DT8F line on their new Z-Axis rod.

I don't mean this as an insult at all, I just need to point out that flyflingerandy's take is simply and pretty totally wrong.

Except for the Orvis is wimpy part, of course.
Show proof in the thread about the Saint Croix Avid. That is what we are discussing. I have questions out to 4 major rodmakers to see what they use.\

Direct from Sage: Hi Andy,

All of our rods can be used either a DT or WF and it all depends on your
fishing situation. A DT line will help load the rod for close in casting
and would be a better trout line.

Best regards,
Team Sage

For their trout rods, they obviously recommend a DT line, and for their larger thundersticks, a WFF. Thanks!
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"Most other rods, Sage, TFO, Redington, etc are all rated for a DT."

"Direct from Sage: All of our rods can be used either a DT or WF and it all depends on your fishing situation. A DT line will help load the rod for close in casting"....
For their trout rods, they obviously recommend a DT line, and for their larger thundersticks, a WFF. Thanks!"

Yep, those are the same. Good point.

Try brushing up on the terms "all" and "obviously recommend". You seem to be a bit fuzzy on their use.
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Originally Posted by flyflingerandy

"Most other rods, Sage, TFO, Redington, etc are all rated for a DT."

"Direct from Sage: All of our rods can be used either a DT or WF and it all depends on your fishing situation. A DT line will help load the rod for close in casting"....
For their trout rods, they obviously recommend a DT line, and for their larger thundersticks, a WFF. Thanks!"

Yep, those are the same. Good point.

Try brushing up on the terms "all" and "obviously recommend". You seem to be a bit fuzzy on their use.
Thanks for the clarification, I forgot to add a disclaimer. I was just trying to point out that using the recommended line weight can often leave you wanting for more umph when laying out a smallmouth sized offering.
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