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Old 11-23-2008, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: I dont quite understand the reasoning behind SAGE'S BASS ROD..........

Grain is a weight measure; just like grams or ounces.

All weight lines fall within a certain grain weight range. Sage's line on the Smallmouth rod is a special line made for that rod. It's close to a 7 wt., but not exactly. That's why they give the weight in grains.

The weight measure of any line is given, in general, based on the grain weight of the the first 30'.
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I think the line Sage sells with the rods is the real key to that series' performance. Its a very front weighted line that works really well to load the rod quickly, turn over heavy flies and shoot like a shooting head, because it almost is. I think the weight of the smallmouth line translates to roughly an 8wt and the Largemouth to a 10wt.

The rods are also a bit slower action than the XP and such, and designed to be easier to cast for someone who swings a flippin stick more often. This action, which tends to produce a more open loop, generally works better for the big/heavy flies used for bass.

They also have a new bluegill rod out in the series that is basically a 6wt. I may pick up one of the lines for my 6wt that is just a bit too stout.
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Default Re: I dont quite understand the reasoning behind SAGE'S BASS ROD..........

I checked the grain weight on my Sage Smallmouth rod line (the line that comes with the rod) vs. the grain weight ranges for 7-9 wt. lines and Big Cliff is right; it's close to an 8 wt; not a 7 wt.
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Default Re: I don't quite understand the reasoning behind SAGE'S BASS ROD..........

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They also have a new bluegill rod out in the series that is basically a 6wt.
You gotta be kiddin' me....a bluegill specific rod ?
That's going waaaaay too far.
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I may pick up one of the lines for my 6wt that is just a bit too stout.
If you want a 6 1/2wt line, just cut back the front taper of a regular 6wt line 5-6". I customize my lines all the time.
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It could be a ploy to bring more people into fly fishing. You are not going to bring a bass fisherman in the fly fishing world by selling him a rod that most companies list for trout/salmon fishing. In an orvis store where they have their rods setup, you will notice that under each price on the rod it states what it can be used for. Small stream trout, steelhead, salmon, tarpon, and etc. I know when I first began to fly fish I never wanted to go trout fishing. Actually I thought the trout fishing aspect of the sport was pretty lame. I know several bass fisherman who feel the same way. By marketing a rod that is specifically called a bass rod, or a bluegill rod you are encouraging bass fisherman to come into the sport. Later on you can try to spring the whole let's fish for tiny trout tactics. I originally got a 9' 6wt. Sage launch rod to go smallmouth fishing with. At the time if I saw a rod called Sage Smallmouth rod I would bought it.

Sage is just trying to improve sales and bring in a new crowd, if that means changing the image of Fly fishing then so be it. Trout fishing is fun but we cannot always be know as trout fisherman, especially when there are bigger fish to fry.
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Default Re: I dont quite understand the reasoning behind SAGE'S BASS ROD..........

I noticed while looking at Sage's site that the rods now are listed at $395. Bass Pro has raised the price to that also. Should have gotten one when I went to Dallas a couple months or ago to get one. I backed out because I hadn't heard much about them though.
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Each fly line weight is measured by a standard the American Fishing Tackle Manufacturing Association introduced in the early 1960's.

Each weight line is determined by the weight in grains of the first 30 feet of line, not counting any untapered tip. The weight in grains is has a little leeway from the "standard"

Weight Grains Range


1 60 5466
2 80 7486
3 100 94106
4 120 114126
5 140 134146
6 160 152168
7 185 177193
8 210 202218
9 240 230250
10 280 270290
11 330 318342
12 380 368392
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---The first thing I would use to help determine what I want in a Bass rod is what size and type of flies will you be using. The larger flies and Deer hair flies will need a rod with a good backbone and also a longer rod. Currently I use a home built 9' 6 wt. as my primary Bass rod, because I do not use many of the larger bulky flies. Even small Clouser's don't cast well because of their weight---you're really chuckin' & duckin' with them, deer hair flies are a possibility but I keep them trimmed close and only use at night. If I am going to use the heavier Clouser's and bigger deer hair flies I would swing to my second Bass rod which is another home built 10' 8 wt, which is also my Salmon & Steelhead backup rod. Both rods cast well from a, boat sitting and standing and I can also roll cast and side arm with great accuracy to get under those docks. JMHO---
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The new "Bluegill Rod" also you can use it on big trout. That's what the Feathercraft catalog says I just got.
What does that mean?
My idea of a big trout is in the 28"+ range. How big does a damn bluegill get anyway!
A hopper rod. I like that idea.
I wouldn't mind it for streamer fishing either or it could excel at kickboat and float tube fishing for coldwater fish. Or it could be just another rod that's fun to fish with- without a $600 Sage pricetag.
As far as line weights go anymore, I think what Joe D posted is outdated. They need to come up with another way of lining rods.
I've stated before, with the new rods that are on the market today, they'll throw 3 different weights comfortably.
Jdub mentions he's got a bass rod and an XP- Ever try switching lines on the rods to see how they throw them? Just curious.
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