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I fish Bass alot. I tie my own leaders starting with a perfection loop at the rod end. I use blood knots to assemble the sections. To tye on the fly I use a trilene knot. All of these knots are 100% knots and never have a break at the knot. One thing you need to do is wet the line before you tighten the knots. Over heating when you tighten the knot can weaken the line. I can't imagine breaking three off at the knot even with a surgeons knot. Maybe you should set down and figure out what Gypsie (sp.?) you made mad.
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Bass with streamers and sink tip lines I use 18" 20# mono and 18" 12 or 10# mono. Tied with blood knot, if those break, you've got bad (old?) mono or are tightening the know without lube (spit) and you're burning the knot.

For floatign line, use a 7.5 ft BASS leader or 1X trout leader. No need for tippet until the leader gets to about 5 feet, then tie on 12# tippet with blood knot.
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Got to agree on the surgeon knot. I'm ussually tying on new tippet for one client while keeping the boat in position for the other one. I have no problem with breakage and it is fast and easy.
Agreed. Make sure to lube those knots with spit or at least water before tightening them up. A lubed Dbl Surgeons will be MUCH stronger than a dry tightened Blood Knot. When both are tied properly, a double surgeons is like 95%, and the blood knot 98%. Given that the blood knot takes me 5x as long as the dbl surg, I'll give up 3% to save time.

One last note, adding fluorocarbon tippet to a mono leader gives me more breakage issues than anything else. Here's two ways I've found to minimize it: One, for a mono to fluoro connection, a triple surgeons knot is actually stronger than a double. (double stronger for mono to mono) Two, when adding fluoro carbon tippet, attach it to a point on the leader that is thicker than the fluoro.
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You do not need bigger line. I just went fishing for Smallmouth and used a hand made tippet. Again I start at the rod end with a perfection loop. I blood knot the sections together and tie the fly on with a Trilene knot. I used 2 lb Tectan line for the terminal end. I caught 8 Smallies up to 17.5 inches and never had a fish break me off. If it makes you feel more secure, use a little super glue on the knots. I didn't however.
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