View Full Version : WF or DT

03-19-2007, 09:59 PM
Ok, lets hear it. Whats your opinions. differances,distance etc.

Fish Bones
03-19-2007, 10:13 PM
In a nutshell...

Casting 20 feet of line or less... It doesn't matter if its WF or DT.

Casting farther... WF is the better choice for greater distance and ease of cast. (It actually depends upon the length of the belly)

03-20-2007, 06:49 AM
Ok, so whats the purpose of a DT line. I never cast one so just curious.

Frank Whiton
03-20-2007, 08:22 AM
If you do a lot of roll casting the DT really shines in this application. You also have the advantage that if the end of you line is worn or damaged, you can turn the line around and have a brand new line. In the 50's when we were using Newton silk lines I would buy a double taper and make it into two WF lines.

Fish Bones
03-20-2007, 09:03 AM
Good Question... The following is a more detailed explanation from Scientific Anglers:

A lot of generalizations are made about these two tapers based on outdated or incorrect information. All fly anglers have heard that double taper lines are more delicate, give better control, roll cast better, etc. In some cases, these performance features of double taper fly lines are true, but not always.

Delicacy of delivery is determined by the mass of the front part of a fly line. This is determined by line diameter (which relates directly to mass), and taper length. A line with a small diameter tip and a long taper has much less mass up front than a line with a large tip and short taper. Don't be mislead by taper length alone -- a line with a long front taper but a large tip diameter will not deliver delicately. A DT and a WF line with the same taper and tip diameter will deliver the same.

For many years, most DT and WF lines were made with the same tip diameter and front taper length so there was no difference in how they delivered, although many claimed there was. Today, many of the DT lines are actually designed specifically for use in spring creek-type fishing and do have longer tapers and/or smaller tips.

Anytime a fly line (or any product for that matter) is designed to do one thing very well it usually has a shortcoming somewhere else. Lines that are designed to be very delicate have little mass in the front to carry larger or heavier flies, and will not handle windy conditions well. It takes a better caster to throw the kind of loops it takes to make these lines perform their best. And no, DT lines are not a more "accurate" casting line -- that is entirely in the realm of the skill of the caster.

It is very true that DT lines are easier to control and roll cast at long distances than WF lines. At shorter distances, there is no difference. The key to line control and roll casting is to make sure the large diameter line belly is in the rod tip. If the small diameter running line is in the tip, it's nearly impossible to transmit enough energy through it to the belly to make the line do what you want. What many fly anglers don't consider is that WF lines control and roll cast as well as DT lines at the distances most of us fish.

Almost all WF lines have heads that are 35-40 feet long. Add a 9-foot leader and the distance to the fly from the end of the head is 44- to 49-feet. Up to this distance when both DT and WF lines control and roll cast the same. There are not many typical trout fishing situations that require longer casts. What this all means is that DT and WF lines work pretty much the same at the distances we fish most often. Certainly if someone fishes a big river that requires a good deal of long distance roll casting and mending, a DT or a WF line with a long head should be considered. Either a Mastery Series XPS or GPX double taper or Mastery Series XXD weight forward taper would work well.

Everybody knows that WF lines are better for distance than DT lines, but is that really true? Well, yes, but the difference isn't as big as you might think. Because of their small, light running lines, WF lines shoot better. But remember, this benefit starts at 44- to 49-feet when the running line is in the rod. If your fishing situation calls for many long casts, it is certainly a little easier to do with a WF line - but don't think that DT lines won't shoot. They will, just not as far.

For most fly anglers in normal fly-fishing situations, it probably doesn't make a lot of difference which taper you use. Most of us fish at distances less than 50 feet, which is where weight forward lines start to shoot better, but with less line control. Most of us don't have the need, or the ability, to roll cast longer than 45 feet.

So, how do you decide which is the right taper for you? Double taper or weight forward? For short to medium casting range situations, there is no reason not to have a DT line rigged and ready. If you are consistently throwing longer casts, you can make them with fewer false casts with a WF line. But if the need arises, you lose the ability to do long roll casts and mends. For most, it doesn't make much difference which taper is used most of the time. Base your decision on DT versus WF on how much small fly, short distance fishing you do - when a delicate DT line like a Mastery Series XPS would offer advantages, against how much fishing you do where longer casts are needed - and the advantages of a WF line.

Scientific Anglers offers taper diagrams on all its Mastery Series fly lines - providing the length of tip, front taper, belly and rear taper, and the total head length and running line length - on its web site at: www.scientificanglers.com (http://www.scientificanglers.com/) Bruce Richards, Scientific Anglers

03-20-2007, 09:40 AM
For all of my stream fishing I go with a DT,under about 25feet it cast's as well as any WF,from 25-40' it starts to sag a little on the backstroke and doesnt "punch" as well on the forward stroke,but to me it is still very fishable to about 40'.The 2 area's that keep me hooked on DT's are 1)Roll casting,now aday's I would not think of hitting my little"roller" streams without a DT,there simply is no comparison when roll casting.2) The obvious,2 lines for the price of one.
just my 2 cent's that are probally worth less than 1.lol
Tight Lines

03-18-2008, 01:42 PM
I just switched over to all DT lines in 4wt and 5wt and they work great for me. They mend and roll cast perfect. I found the WF didn't mend near as well as DT. I found WF just went too hard and fast downstream cross current, DT doesn't and like I said mends perfectly for that perfect drift. Not a problem with a 40' or 50' cast if needed. My WF lines were all of the best quality Rio lines. I got all of my new DT lines from Hook & Hackle for cheap comparied to the high dollar line for sale now days. $31 and change for each. I'm very pleased, and I have tried & tested them all. Anybody want some Rio WF like new line for cheap, I have some that I aint puttin' back on for sure.. my .02