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freeze69
01-01-2006, 12:01 PM
seen lots of people post on using deceivers and clousers. was wondering if anybody could give me a pattern for the deceiver. the clouser would also work. wanting to use for pike and bass.

fshfanatic
01-01-2006, 12:54 PM
Is this the fly you are talking about?

freeze69
01-01-2006, 01:00 PM
the picture was a little different. going to try and post the picture.

fshfanatic
01-01-2006, 03:14 PM
Ah ok.. I fish those quite often.. Great pattern and easy to tie!


Just so you know, I rarely call fly tying material by the correct name. I have no clue what so ever as to the names of different insects and I call my flies whatever I feel like at the time..

In other words, a picture is worth 1000 words..

:shades: :shades:

idabelangler
01-01-2006, 03:24 PM
Right from the master's vise (http://www.flyfisherman.com/ftb/lkdeceiver.wmv)

fshfanatic
01-01-2006, 03:43 PM
Right from the master's vise (http://www.flyfisherman.com/ftb/lkdeceiver.wmv)

Great Find!

freeze69
01-01-2006, 05:13 PM
thanks for the video. only problem we've got dial-up will take forever. watched at the in-laws though on dsl very nice. going to have to try and find a video on it.

Troutbum7
01-03-2006, 09:21 AM
Deceivers may be good and I may be stupid, but for my money I'm all about synthetics. I know that I can not discredit the effectiveness of these time honored patterns for their fish catching ability. Deceivers and Deep minnows were created by two of the most knowledgable men to every pick up a rod. The Master Lefty and The Smallie King Bob. I will never touch the knowledge that these two have for the sport of flyfishing or the art of tying. So, that being said, I will say that I do not fish deceivers and I rarely fish a clouser (ignorance of youth, 26 I am). I'm huge into the synthetic patterns of various tyers out there now. Here's one of my own Big Eye tinker Mackeral patterns, tied using EP fibers on a 3/0 daiichi #2546 hook. These play double duty for stripers/blues/albies/etc. To the fresh water side for Pike/Musky/Bass/Hybrids, etc. Extremely Lightweight, more durable than a steel leader and they produce great action for being synthetic. Take the pattern for what you feel it's worth, if you want a recipe, let me know. Have a Happy New Year and TIGHT LINES!!!:icon_bigg



http://http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=186&stc=1&d=1136297964

freeze69
01-03-2006, 01:17 PM
very nice fly troutbum7. as for the receipe yes i would like it very much. if you would either post it or pm it to me. might be better to post it for everyone though.

BigCliff
01-03-2006, 01:41 PM
The half and half is a great pattern that is a combo of the Deciever and the Clouser Minnow. its basically a clouser with the deciever tail on it. works best on size 2 and bigger. I often cheat when tying them and make the tail out of marabou, bucktail, or a synthetic since that's easier than matching up 6-10 saddle hackles. Craft fur works well on smaller ones, and pola-fibre or some of the EP stuff works great on bigger ones.

One other clouser tip- don't use lead eyes. Lead is quite heavy, but its also fairly weak. It's very easy to smack the fly on a rock/dock/etc and knock the eyes off totally. I like the hourglass brass eyes that are tougher and I think easier to tie in as well.

Troutbum7
01-06-2006, 11:28 PM
Okay

Big Eye Tinker Mackeral

Hook: Daiichi #2546 3/0
Thread: Danville 210 white
Material: EP Fibers; Chartreuse 3D, Olive, Red and White
Flash: Rootbeer KrystalFlash
Eyes: Molded 3D size 7
Stripes: Sharpie

1. Start your thread on the hook shank above the point, tie in a 1" piece of red fibers (a pinch) so it angles down over the hook point. Trim this even with the point. This red will be the gills

2. Start on top of the hook in the same spot with a piece of chartreuse, this piece should be about a 1/3" thick. If you first tie this fly and it comes out real bulky, thin out the thickness of the clumps you use off the hank. Don't worry you'll soon get used to pulling the right amount off to use. Tie it in and leave about 5 1/2" hanging off the back end. This will make the overall length of the fly about 6".

3. If you use a rotary vise, flip it over and tie in an equal length piece of white fibers to the bottom of the hook. Take a bodkin, scissors or whatever and split the fibers so there is equal amounts on either side of the hook. Stroke them back so it somewhat mixes with the char.

4. Now, take a piece of krystal flash and tie one piece in on the top and bottom.

5. Take another piece of chartreuse and tie it in front of the other piece, only this time the piece should be about 4" long. Do the same with the white on the bottom side.

6. Add another piece of krystal flash on the top and bottom.

7. At this point you should have what looks like a slight taper of material at the back of the hook shank and you should have about half of the shank left.

8. Take a piece of Olive fibers and lay that on top of the chartreuse. This piece should be about 3 inches long. Continue with white on the bottom of the hook.

9. Add a piece of krystal flash on the top and bottom.

10. Continue the shortening of material and stacking process with olive on top and white on bottom until you have about an eye length of shank left. Now you should see a rough taper and fishy shape to the fly. Note the sides of the hook should be showing.

11. Now take another piece of white that is the entire length of the fly and tie it in on either side to cover up your thread wraps. You can use a slightly different color than white, say polar bear or even a light pink. This will give the fly a distinct lateral line. The possibilities are endless. Whip finish, 2 times for added durability and cast off.

12. Take the fly out of the vise. Using an ordinary fine tooth comb, comb it all together and then trim it to the shape you want it to be, follow the taper and round out the head. Note, it is easier to trim from front to back. It takes a little getting used to but once you get it you'll see why.

13. Now, mix up some 5 minute epoxy and put a dab on either side for the eyes. I like using Molded 3D eyes in a size 7, I think it's about 3/8". If you want to make this fly a definate working fly, coat the eyes and the head of the fly with the epoxy. It won't really mess up the overall look of the fly, it will just make it harder for the blues to rip them off. Though, they will still rip them off.

14. Mark the top of the fly with a black permanent marker to give it the tiger stripes.

15. I hope this makes sense. Good luck with it and if anybody has questions, feel free to ask. I'm sure that this will insult some of you guys' intelligence but I want to let every one know that these are killer flies! Tight Lines!

Troutbum7
01-07-2006, 08:39 AM
note step 12.
I meant to type from back to front. Not front to back. Sorry:icon_conf :icon_redf :icon_smil

fshfanatic
01-12-2006, 12:16 AM
I tried my hand at some decievers.. Dont laugh, I have never tied them before:


http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/photos/files/1/DSCN0333.JPG
http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/photos/files/1/DSCN0334.JPG
http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/photos/files/1/DSCN0335.JPG

Not bad for first timer if I do say so myself.

freeze69
01-12-2006, 01:31 AM
don't know but they look good to me.

BigCliff
01-12-2006, 11:21 AM
You tie better than you photograph. (Jk, haha)

HotShot
12-01-2007, 02:22 PM
These are some sites for Deceiver and Clouser Patterns Plus several Forums with good info on various flies and patterns.
http://www.onlineflytyer.com/article_fox1.asp (http://www.onlineflytyer.com/article_fox1.asp%20%20http:/www.flytyingworld.com/Pages)
http://www.flytyingworld.com/Pages (http://www.onlineflytyer.com/article_fox1.asp%20%20http:/www.flytyingworld.com/Pages)
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ (http://www.flyanglersonline.com/)
http://www.ultimateflytying.com/FlyPatterns.htm (http://www.ultimateflytying.com/FlyPatterns.htm)
http://www.warmwaterflyfisher.com/wwflypatterns.htm (http://www.warmwaterflyfisher.com/wwflypatterns.htm)
http://www.mwflytying.com/ (http://www.mwflytying.com/)
http://www.onlineflytyer.com/articles.asp (http://www.onlineflytyer.com/articles.asp)
http://www.flytyingworld.com/ (http://www.flytyingworld.com/)

http://www.flycraftangling.com/index.html (http://www.flycraftangling.com/index.html)
http://jackgartside.com/ (http://jackgartside.com/)
http://www.alaskaflyfishingonline.com/ (http://www.alaskaflyfishingonline.com/)
http://www.dwskok.com/step-by-steps.htm (http://www.dwskok.com/step-by-steps.htm)
http://www.warmfly.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26 (http://www.warmfly.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26)
http://www.geocities.com/clinscott_pfl/backwaterhawgs.html (http://www.geocities.com/clinscott_pfl/backwaterhawgs.html)

http://www.flyfishinsalt.com/index.jsp (http://www.flyfishinsalt.com/index.jsp)
http://www.flyfisherman.com/ (http://www.flyfisherman.com/)
http://www.troutflies.com/ (http://www.troutflies.com/)
http://www.flytyer.com/ (http://www.flytyer.com/)
http://www.loup-garou.net/flytying.html (http://www.loup-garou.net/flytying.html)
http://www.flyfishohio.com/ (http://www.flyfishohio.com/)

http://thebasspond.yuku.com/ (http://thebasspond.yuku.com/)
http://fishandflymagazine.com/index.asp (http://fishandflymagazine.com/index.asp)
http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/archive/f-15.html (http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/archive/f-15.html)
http://www.totalflyfishing.com/index.php/fly-fishing-destinations/oklahoma (http://www.totalflyfishing.com/index.php/fly-fishing-destinations/oklahoma)

http://flybass.com/ (http://flybass.com/)
http://www.boatowners.com/fish_fly.htm (http://www.boatowners.com/fish_fly.htm)
http://stevenojai.tripod.com/nymph.htm (http://stevenojai.tripod.com/nymph.htm)
http://www.hatchesmagazine.com/patterns/ (http://www.hatchesmagazine.com/patterns/)
http://ozarkanglers.com/forums/index.php?act=idx (http://ozarkanglers.com/forums/index.php?act=idx)
http://www.invictaflies.us/Articles/mini_streamers.htm (http://www.invictaflies.us/Articles/mini_streamers.htm)
http://www.troutnut.com/ (http://www.troutnut.com/)

http://www.westfly.com/home/home2.htm (http://www.westfly.com/home/home2.htm)
http://www.hookedonflies.com/ (http://www.hookedonflies.com/)
http://groups.msn.com/BluegillFliesNotebook (http://groups.msn.com/BluegillFliesNotebook)
http://www.jerryhadden.com/flyfree/flyfree.html (http://www.jerryhadden.com/flyfree/flyfree.html)
http://www.flyfishusa.com/index.htm (http://www.flyfishusa.com/index.htm)
http://www.flyline.com/fly_patterns/ (http://www.flyline.com/fly_patterns/)

http://www.youtube.com/NEWFLIES (http://www.youtube.com/NEWFLIES)
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/forumdisplay.php?f=33 (http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk4/forumdisplay.php?f=33)

Hope this helps…
In His Love,
Clyde