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Recently we had a post about Casting on the lawn..... wherein the poster told that he does his 'Practice' on the lawn and that the welded loop on his fly line came apart. The post was answered by well meaning members who made all sort of suggestions as to what may have been at the root of this welded loop becoming FUBAR. I thought the replies suggesting that it may be the type of grass he has on his lawn were especially amusing. I posted what I'm placing below on the thread. Naturally it went without anyone placing a 'Like' on it or the posts that followed acknowledging that anyone may have said something that made sense.

Maybe I'm getting old. Maybe I think I know it all. Or maybe, just maybe sometimes I'm right on the money. At any rate I decided to preserve what I had to say about excessive lawn casting here on my Mister Know It All blog

Myself I do not practice casting because I am not a competitive fly caster. It would have been nice to have a picture of the damage so we may have ascertained the cause.

I fish 100% subsurface and I use these on my welded loop lines.

That is a double braided loop

They stop monofilament leader loops from cutting welded loops on both floating lines & sink tips.

This is a 3 season old Scandi line's welded loop after using the braid.

I've made and used those loops for 8 years without a failure but recently had a customer contact to tell me that he had 2 of them come apart. We exchanged messages a few times and it soon was divulged that he was "practice casting" with single hand rod when the problem occurred.

When people practice cast (in my experience) it is not unusual for a person to make many, many false casts before they decide that it's time to let the forward cast shoot. During these repeated false casts it is not unusual for there to be any number of errant loops form on both the back cast and forward strokes. Some of these errant loops can nearly result in what we commonly call cracking the whip. That type of abuse will result in popping flies off leaders, loops off of lines and etc.

If one must practice cast then make every effort to limit yourself to 1 or 2 false casts per presentation and I believe you will see a marked difference in both wear to lines and leaders but an improvement in accuracy.

please remember that I have only offered a reply to a post and the reply is based solely on personal hands on experiences over a period greater than one season

Maybe even after reading that you still think I'm full of it but I don't blow up my welded loop lines and I don't need practice for accuracy either. I'll get whatever I need when the ice goes out.


  1. spm's Avatar
    I saw that post. I think, the first response was about St. Augustine grass. After reading that, I blew the rest of it off. Guess I missed your response.

  2. Ard's Avatar
    Hi Steve,

    I generally stay away from the casting threads because there are so many members here that are way better than I am at it. I do however read some of them and when I picture a guy out in his yard basically false casting for what is assumed to be practice I can see the possibility for problems. I learned a long time ago that the fewer false casts made the better. What that technique did for me was multi faceted. It made me much more efficient and more stealthy on the water. It taught me how to get the most energy out of my rods by using all the aspects of the cast together, the rod - my own energy - the line weight and timing all working together to deliver the fly on target with way less effort than spent making a half dozen casts first.

    I'm no certified caster but have taught some folks to do it and I teach them to do what I do. Maybe what I do is wrong and wrought with bad form but I can say that it works really well for me. One thing I've never done unless just trying a rod for a couple throws is to lawn cast as practice. I don't think it helps a person to be a better fisher and that is when and where the cast matters not on the lawn or the tea cup etc.

    cabin fever maybe,