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    I did a little more snooping around and I think I was wrong up above. Arseneault tied his Rats with the original mixture of black-and-white hairs.

    So how did grey fox become the "standard" wing? I recall reading an issue of the ASF's Atlantic Salmon Journal a few years back with an article on the history of the Rat series, but I can't find mine without doing a lot of archeological excavation in my man cave. Anyway, if I remember correctly, that article described two influential New Brunswick tyers, one who was tying his Rats with grey fox at the same time that the other was tying his with black-and-white. (I think the second one may have been Wallace Doak.) Apparently at the time these were considered the "Restigouche" version and the "Miramichi" version. The "Miramichi" grey fox wing eventually became the more popular version, even though it was a later adaptation. In my previous post I confused Arseneault with the other tyer.

    Take this with a grain of salt as it is the product of hazy memory rather than source checking, but I think that was the gist of the ASJ article.

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    "Charlie DeFeo (Gary: did you fish with him too?)"

    Sadly, no, but do know a couple guys that took tying lessons from him.
    Gary

    I've published this before, but it's about my fav photo:


    Left to right: Bob Warren (edited Fishing Atlantic Salmon and one of the planet's best fly tyers), the late Dick Jogodnik, Vin Swayze (sitting; more than 60 years guiding on the Miramichi, neighbor and friend of guys like Ted Williams), Charlie Krom (co-author, Hairwing Atlantic Salmon Flies), Pam Bates (daughter of Joe Bates and co-author of Fishing Atlantic Salmon), Keith Fulsher (Hairwing Atlantic Salmon Flies), and the lightweight of the group, me.
    Photo by great guide and good friend, Renate Bullock of Bullock's Lodge, Boiestown, NB...a great place to experience atlantic salmon fishing at its finest.

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    There needs to be a "superlike" button.

    ---------- Post added at 06:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:00 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by gt05254 View Post
    Keith Fulsher (Hairwing Atlantic Salmon Flies), and the lightweight of the group, me.
    If you say so, but I think your flies are better proportioned than his.
    Last edited by moucheur2003; 03-30-2013 at 07:20 AM.

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    Thank you for that, very nice of you to say. I learned to tie hairwings from Charlie, Keith and Bob at salmon camp.
    Gary

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    Gary, your mention of Charlie and Keith got me wondering. In the back of their "Hair-Wing Atlantic Salmon Flies" book, they list 30 "Unnamed Guide Patterns". Do you know whether any of these were particular favorites of theirs or particularly effective under certain conditions, or are they listed more as a matter of mere historical documentation?

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    Directly from Charlie Krom today: "The guide flies you inquired about are a combination of guide and sports flies donated or swapped for over the years. None of them had names to classify them so we figured the best way was to put them under the title "Guide Patterns". "

    Gary

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    Cool, thanks! I guess that means these were miscellaneous flies that they had collected and not favorites that they found especially effective. I suppose if they were favorites they would have added more commentary.

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