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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Hook Eyes Up/Down/Straight?

    Nice experiment WJC. Like I said, it makes a difference.

    Does it make a huge difference...no.
    Does it make a noticeable difference....probably not.

    But someone asked, so there's the answer. There are little technical details in every aspect of fishing, some are more commonly discussed than others. This post is not an example of someone taking something too seriously, but someone analyzing the question in detail, and attempting to answer it objectively rather than subjectively.

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    Default Re: Hook Eyes Up/Down/Straight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick
    Does it make a huge difference...no.
    Does it make a noticeable difference....probably not.
    Well, I don't like absolutes. If fishing for large, hard-mouthed powerful fish with strong tippets and with the intention of getting them boatside before they starve to death, it can make all the difference in my opinion. Technology has come a long way since Billy Pate's fish fights that lasted over 12 hours; metalurgy, hook design and manyufacturing techinques are no exception.

    So I disagree with both your statements above in the case of many salty fish. For most freshwater species, however, it "probably" does not make much difference.
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    Default Re: Hook Eyes Up/Down/Straight?

    Why no straight eye hook in the photo to show the change in photo? I suspect it would open as well.

    However, I see what you are saying. Once the fish is hooked, the up eye hook acts more like a hook with a wider gap, in that there is more stress on the bend once the fish is hooked than a down eye hook.

    Since the distance from the tie in point of the leader to the hook point is slightly greater, there is a slightly longer "effective" lever arm with the up eye hook.
    Regards,

    Silver



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    Default Re: Hook Eyes Up/Down/Straight?

    Quote Originally Posted by wjc View Post
    but set them down someplace and can't find them.
    Welcome to my world. Now what was I going to say?

    Oh yah. I like down turn eyes for clousers because it puts the center of gravity on the fly farther away from the knot. It means they ride better hook point up with less weight. If you use the wrong hook and not enough weight, clousers tend not to run right.

    There are some places it matters, but far more it does not.

    As a side note I find it an interesting thought where silver said "the up eye hook acts more like a hook with a wider gap, in that there is more stress on the bend once the fish is hooked than a down eye hook." I never looked at it this way before. I make almost all of my clousers on size #2 Aberdeen hooks and bend the eye down myself. These a softer, thin wire hook and I have landed some pretty big fish with pretty heavey line and never bent one out and lost one yet. Now when they are hung up on rocks by the point, I can bend them out and svae the fly most of the time. This is interesting.

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    Default Re: Hook Eyes Up/Down/Straight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver
    Why no straight eye hook in the photo to show the change in photo?
    Because the difference would have been half what it is with the up eye/ down eye example. Actually, those hooks were straight-eyed Gama SL12S's that I just bent with my fingers and the eyes held in a pair of pliers.

    If I still "jumped tarpon" at Channel 2 or 5, I would use soft hooks like those because I dont' use easily breakable tippets. They are easy to straighten for immediate remote releases and the above spots are lousy with huge sharks.
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    Default Re: Hook Eyes Up/Down/Straight?

    Very interesting fact and information, thanks for a better understanding.

    Keven
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    I have tied and fished files for over 25 years and have never noticed a significant hooking difference between flies tied on straight or down turned eyes. Instead, I use the orientation of the fly to the leader as the criteria for selecting which hook design to use on a given fly pattern. When dry fly fishing the leader is generally on the surface, so I prefer to use a straight eye for patterns that sit flush in the film, like sparkle/comparaduns, and down-eye for traditional Catskill patterns, where the the front of the fly is oriented upward. This keeps the eye inline with the leader. Of course, this isn't a rule, and I will tie the patterns on whichever hook I have available.

    The exception to my preference are parachute flies, which sit in the film but are easier to tie on a down-eye hook. However, for still water and spring creek mayfly fishing, I have long since moved away from parachute flies to sparkle duns, which are cheaper and easier to tie and much more durable plus they seem more effective. For streamers/leaches, etc. I prefer a straight eye if I can find it as again, it is a better orientation of fly to direction of the leader.

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