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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Best knot for fly line to tippet?

    We cut both loops off the braid and nail knot on 0x. Then build down to 5 x. This makes the total leader length 15 up to 20 ft. The spray is not a problem as it reminds me to false cast away from the fish. We never treat the braid and use zap a gap glue sparingly. The fly line only needs to go into the braid an inch. I'm going to try uv glue this year.
    Keep 'em wet!

  2. #12

    Default Re: Best knot for fly line to tippet?

    All lines and leaders spray water droplets when false casting. Braided and furled leaders a bit more as there is more surface area to hold water. It depends on the light angle as to how much you see this when casting but a surface feeding fish can see the anomaly even if you don't. As Dillon indicated, this observation trains you to false cast away from your quarry while drying and measuring your line/leader...do this regardless of leader type as not only spray but reflected light off your line is a potential alarm as well.

    The spliced braided loop on the braid or the sorb loop on the furl is slim and snug when mated to the welded loop of current fly lines and assuming proper mass matching (the Parabolic Test) create little disturbance in the cast or presentation. Yes, for the less compressed .021 monofilament butt, a multi-turn (I like 12 turns) Nail Knot is surely preferable but this is generally tied at home or in camp, rarely out on the river. the slender brass tube of a fly tying bobbin is as good a Nail Knot tool as there is.

    Inserting the angle cut tip of a fly line into the loop-cut-off butt end of a Braid, inserting the line 1/2 to 3/4" and applying high viscosity Zap-A-Gap cyanoacrylate makes as smooth a line leader connection as there is. It is important to use this glue not regular super glues as one wants to avoid wicking into the hollow braid. After carefully applying the Zap, wick excess off onto scrap paper and allow to fully cure, at least an hour. At the terminus of the Braid I don't use the loop but, as Dillon wrote, make a 12 turn Nail Knot of O - 1X Nylon and build down conventionally from there to a 5' tippet section.

    Such a leader does require some craft and maintenance on behalf of the angler...fine with us as it produces the ultimate in dry fly leader performance. Oh, and yes, I use some all Nylon Cutthroat Furls too, built down the same way from the tip end, never with a tippet ring (ich!). These are a little more aggressive and Ifavor tehm on my 6-weight and the Braid on #'s 4 & 5. These, of course, are dry fly leaders and more or less superfluous for sub surface methodologies.

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
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    south florida
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    Default Re: Best knot for fly line to tippet?

    Quote Originally Posted by S&S
    the slender brass tube of a fly tying bobbin is as good a Nail Knot tool as there is.
    Good wording S&S, "As good as .."

    The one to compare it to is one of my favorite line rigging tools - a bent length of Malin leader wire #4 or #5 for nail knots if it's a thick butt section. You can spread the looped end 2 inches wide to put the butt tag end through and roll the barrel wraps back and forth between thumb and forefinger as you pull the tag end in under them. Never get a crossed wrap.
    http://www.miterclamp.com/Images/N_Amer_FF.jpg Cheers, Jim

  4. #14
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    Bangor, Maine
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    Default Re: Best knot for fly line to tippet?

    The word "tippet" is simply a word referencing the LAST section of leader, or the thinnest end of the leader, that attaches to your fly....
    The "butt" end is the thickest end that you tie onto the flyline.

    A TOG(Team Old Guy) that still uses a blood knot for tippet to fly and nail knot(actually 5/6 of a complete nail knot holds as long as you pull everything up evenly) or utilizing a loop for leader butt to flyline.
    However I'm about ready to sit down and learn to use the quickest tippet to fly thing out there
    Steve

  5. #15

    Default Re: Best knot for fly line to tippet?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigspencer View Post
    The word "tippet" is simply a word referencing the LAST section of leader, or the thinnest end of the leader, that attaches to your fly....
    The "butt" end is the thickest end that you tie onto the flyline.

    A TOG(Team Old Guy) that still uses a blood knot for tippet to fly and nail knot(actually 5/6 of a complete nail knot holds as long as you pull everything up evenly) or utilizing a loop for leader butt to flyline.
    However I'm about ready to sit down and learn to use the quickest tippet to fly thing out there
    Not always the thinnest. = shock tippet.


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  6. #16
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    May 2014
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    Lakeville, Conn.
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    Default Re: Best knot for fly line to tippet?

    Quote Originally Posted by bocast View Post
    I use the nail knot as described in Tim Cammisa's excellent You Tube video



    I like the low profile.

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    Ohhh...

    I can look at knot diagrams until my eyes cross and not get it. I have to see it done.

    I can do that without a tool but the tool sure makes it look easier.

  7. #17

    Default Re: Best knot for fly line to tippet?

    Not a fan of loops i cut them off. Nail knot all the way. Practice. I usually cut off about a foot of the leader cause its so stiff. Then add tippit with a double surgeons knot tie on fly with an improved clinch and fish.

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