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  1. #1
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    Mar 2009
    south florida

    Default Factory Loops; why cut them off?

    I haven't had a factory loop fail since their early introducion, after one fell apart while casting. It would either have been a Rio or a Sci Anglers line.

    But I haven't used one now since that event. My next failure occurred on a premade, store bought hollow mono loop which did not have the second catch.

    Now the factory loops are much stronger and do not fail from a strength standpoint from what I've heard, but I've been cutting them out since before that happened.

    Where the new strong ones do fail, in my opinion, is that they are way, way too small and way way too stiff. They are hard to attach and much harder to undo because you can't even get your pinkie finger inside of the loops.

    They are also more than twice the diameter of the running line even when squashed together, and the small diameter of the loop wants to spread apart and form a circle.

    So the only way to securely attach backing to prevent the handshake connection from distorting into that other connection is to do two pass throughs with a half twist between.

    This is a major production to achieve through a factory loop about 3 times the diameter of a gnat's a$$hole and is a triple production to undo.

    By the time you are done, the backing line filaments are frayed all to hell, you have chewed your cigar into mush and have hexed everyone from xyz line company to hades.

    So I just cut mine off and make my own blind spliced loops big enough to fit a soccer ball through (maybe not quite) and attach it to the running line and do the same with the backing.

    Three fingers of each hand will easily fit through either loop and one yank loosens the handshake without disturbing one filament.

    And it's not that lines are changed that often because there are rods rigged and ready to go in the rod compartment.

    But it's nice that they can be, if necessary, and that the connections slip through the guides very easily and no one's name is taken in vain when lines do need to be changed. That usually happens at home on the deck but it's no harder at night in a boat.

    And if one fails, it is either my fault or horrible bad luck.

    But since I am the judge determining which was the cause, you can likely guess the usual verdict. Cheers, Jim

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    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Wasilla / Skwentna, Alaska
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    Default Re: Factory Loops; why cut them off?

    Hiya Jim!

    You do know I stickied this right? Making The Blind Splice connection, by WJC;

    Anywhere can be the land of great expectations, broken dreams, or paradise found, it's all up to you.

    Life On The Line - Alaska Fishing with Ard
    Ard's Forum blog, Alaska Outdoors

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  5. #3
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    Mar 2015
    Albuquerque, NM

    Default Re: Factory Loops; why cut them off?

    I have purchased several of these from Ard, and give some away to my friends. These are excellent pieces of equipment.

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    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    quiet corner, ct

    Default Re: Factory Loops; why cut them off?

    Experience has taught me to never trust a knot that I didn't tie myself
    The simpler the outfit, the more skill it takes to manage it, and the more pleasure one gets in his achievements. --- Horace Kephart

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    Default Re: Factory Loops; why cut them off?


    To answer your question "why cut off factory loops" My answer is the reason I do is because I use spectra backing (even doubled looped) will cut into the soft coating of a fly line either sinking or floating with a factory loop, I cut the factory loop off and replace it with a #50 pound braided loop and never ever have to worry about that problem again Now after that being said if I was a trout fisherman perhaps i wouldn't worry about it, however I am not I mostly in the last 10 years just do blue water. CB

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