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    Default Do you half hitch after your clinch knot?

    I noticed a professional guide place a couple of half hitches after tying a clinch knot (or it could have been an improved clinch), when tying tippet to fly (trout flies); I think, after he got fairly frustrated with me losing a fly every couple of minutes. Having tried it myself since then, I think I am losing far less flies than I used to, and it only adds 30 seconds or so to attaching the fly.

    Anybody add a couple of half hitches, after making a fairly competent clinch knot or improved clinch?
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    Default Re: Do you half hitch after your clinch knot?

    I think improved Clinch knot should be sufficient if tied correctly. Who tied the knots that failed? I'm sure you will get a lot of suggestions for favorite knots but I have used the Improved Clinch knot for most of my life and find it works most of the time.

    Bill

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    Default Re: Do you half hitch after your clinch knot?

    Quote Originally Posted by brownbass View Post
    I think improved Clinch knot should be sufficient if tied correctly. Who tied the knots that failed? I'm sure you will get a lot of suggestions for favorite knots but I have used the Improved Clinch knot for most of my life and find it works most of the time.

    Bill
    Initially, the flies were attached by the guide (> 30 years professional guiding experience).

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    Default Re: Do you half hitch after your clinch knot?

    Occasionally, I have days were my hands and eyes don't seem to work together as well as I would like. On those frustrating days, I just have to slow down and make sure I get that knot right. I have friends that are switching over to the Double Davy knot. While it works I seem to switch back to the Improved Clinch. Muscle memory I guess. I try to imagine adding a Half Hitch behind a Clinch knot and I just don't see it working, for me at least.

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    Default Re: Do you half hitch after your clinch knot?

    Quote Originally Posted by brownbass View Post
    I have friends that are switching over to the Double Davy knot.
    That's what I use about 90% of the time, even in saltwater where there might be big fish.

    I can tie it in the dark. I can tie it with my forceps. It doesn't, however, work well at all with fluorocarbon. My workaround for that is to use monofilament.
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    I heard thoughts and seen tests on knots.

    I've always used a simple cinch knot. From smallmouth to catfish, steelhead and salmon, never lost a fish due to the knot. I even use it on braid when I spin fish for salmon with my non-fly fishing friends.

    When/if it becomes a problem, I'll tie a different knot.

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    Default Re: Do you half hitch after your clinch knot?

    Adding a half hitch to finish a clinch would weaken the knot as all knots that pinch (like an overhand casting knot) cause a shear point. Bad news: while most guides are good at knot tying, some are as bad as the average angler. Doing something wrong for 30 years does not make it better.

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    Default Re: Do you half hitch after your clinch knot?

    If you tie your knots correctly, you don't need any added gimmicks
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    Default Re: Do you half hitch after your clinch knot?

    Simple answer: Test it! I tell people this all the time, but for some reason, few are willing to simply test their connections.

    Tie one knot to a hook. At the other end, tie a second hook with the other knot. Take two sets of pliers. Pull the the two apart until failure. Repeat the test a few times until you reach a consensus about which knot is stronger. Now you know. Until you do this yourself, you are just going on blind faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osseous View Post
    Simple answer: Test it! I tell people this all the time, but for some reason, few are willing to simply test their connections.

    Tie one knot to a hook. At the other end, tie a second hook with the other knot. Take two sets of pliers. Pull the the two apart until failure. Repeat the test a few times until you reach a consensus about which knot is stronger. Now you know. Until you do this yourself, you are just going on blind faith.

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    I agree except that this implies a steadily increasing pressure. A jerk will simulate better how knots fail in fishing.

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