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    Default Re: Thoughts on using protectant on floating lines

    Quote Originally Posted by osseous View Post
    303 is NOT the same as Armor All. 303 is safe for PVC. It is an excellent UV inhibitor and keeps the material supple. Armor All is the stuff you want to avoid.
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    I've used 303 for years on most anything I wanted UV/sun fading protection from, but I sure wouldn't take a chance using it on my fly lines since they say don't even get Deet and sunscreen on them. I use SA's line cleaner/dressing on all my lines and that's it. As far as Armorall, decades ago when auto interiors had plastic covered dashes, etc, a couple auto upholstery shop guys told me they loved Amorall. Gave them lots of business because they were convinced it caused all types of trim to crack over time. I figured if anyone would know, they should.

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    Default Re: Thoughts on using protectant on floating lines

    303 is recommended for PVC and urethane. It is excellent for flylines.

    You put your faith in an auto detailer. I will trust my wife- a polymer chemist with 8 patents.

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    Default Re: Thoughts on using protectant on floating lines

    Beg to differ, these were auto UPHOLSTERY REPAIR shop owners, not detailers. Plus as I posted, I was referring to their experience strictly with Armorall, not 303 Protectant.
    Last edited by jdwy; 08-19-2019 at 11:27 AM.

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    Default Re: Thoughts on using protectant on floating lines

    Quote Originally Posted by jdwy View Post
    Beg to differ, these were auto UPHOLSTERY REPAIR shop owners, not detailers. Plus as I posted, I was referring to their experience strictly with Armorall, not 303 Protectant.
    You lumped it in with deet and sunscreen- why, I have no idea. Then went in two different directions on Armor All, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I'm still trying to figure out what car seats have to do with fly lines...

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    Well...I did a little digging about the 303 Aerospace Protectant. I honestly had never heard about it before. It is used by many anglers to clean and recondition their fly lines. I'm honestly quite surprised. It does get high marks for UV protection and is noted to be super slick.... which is good for fly lines. Orvis apparently sells the product rebranded as Super Slick Line Dressing - Fly Line Dressing - Orvis. Reviews are pretty sparkly from what I can read. So there you have it.

    But I've read feedback from a few users that stated that it actually made the line lose bouyancy and cause it to start to sink. I would be curious if anyone else has noted this side effect. This would be a real detractor to me if true.....what say you?

    I personally use Rio's AgentX line dressing (conditioner). I'm not a polymer chemist PhD, but I trust that Rio does...and if they sell it for their lines.....it's what I want to use. Plus it works great.

    From Rio - This month’s Featured Product is RIO’s AgentX Line Cleaning Kit | Facebook

    This month’s Featured Product is RIO’s AgentX Line Cleaning Kit
    October 29, 2010 at 11:39 AM
    General Modern fly lines are so much more superior than their older counterparts. Advances in chemistry and technology have made lines more durable, higher floating, slicker, smoother and even more dirt-repellant. Despite this, fly lines should be cleaned regularly.

    Intro Cleaning a fly line keeps it slick and dirt free, meaning longer distances and less tangles. It also makes a fly line last a lot longer! The RIO team recommends three steps to cleaning a fly line – depending on how often it is used.

    Step 1 After almost every outing the fly line should be wiped down with a soft, damp cloth – just once is fine. The best way of doing this is to strip the line off the reel and then wind it back on, running the fly line through the wet cloth as it is being wound. Fast, efficient and effective.

    If fishing in salt, or if standing on the shore of a lake/river, or in a boat when the coils pick up excess dirt, it is better to pull the fly line off the reel and place the coils in a sink filled with warm water and a mild detergent. Run the fly line through a soft cloth a couple of times (while still in the sink), then wipe the line down through a separate cloth that is wet with freshwater (not soapy), before winding it back on to the reel.

    Step 2 After every 3rd to 4th outing, it is better to rub the fly line down with a micro abrasive cloth, before going through step 1. Fly lines have pores and these pores can clog with dirt and muck that is hard to get out with a soft cloth. A micro abrasive cloth digs out the dirt in the pores. It also reinvigorates the plastic coating of the fly line, and re-awakens the self-lubricating properties that are part of the chemistry. Don’t use emery or glass paper as these are too course and can damage the fly line. Instead, use one of the purpose designed ones such as RIO’s Wonder Cloth for such work. One advantage of the Wonder Cloth is that you can throw it in the washing machine once it gets dirty and wash it clean – reusing it time and time again.

    Step 3 The final step in cleaning a fly line is to apply a conditioning agent after every 5th or 6th outing. It is worth doing this just to keep your fly line at the very peak of performance. After following step 2 apply a thin coating of a fly line conditioner (such as RIO’s Agent X line dressing) to the fly line and leave it to dry for about 30 minutes. To do this, strip the fly line off the reel and into the bottom of a large, clean cardboard box. (you can use the floor if it is hardwood and freshly cleaned, but never on to a carpet floor, concrete or other floor that might have dirt and dust on). We recommend applying the coating with a clean cloth, and highly recommend RIO’s Wonder Cloth for application. Once the fly line has been left to dry for at least half an hour, buff the line down a couple of times with a clean, dry, soft cloth.

    Product For anyone that cleans fly lines, a very useful item is RIO’s AgentX Line Cleaning Kit. This little package contains a 1oz bottle of AgentX Fly Line Dressing and 2 Wonder Cloths – everything an angler needs to keep their fly lines in top condition.

    Warning The AgentX line dressing contains silicon (among numerous other chemicals) which helps both the slickness and the buoyancy of a fly line. While this is great on floating lines, do not apply on slow sinking, or intermediate lines, as you could find these lines floating for a short while after initial application!


    Poppy from the Red Shed actually recommends a different product for Airflo lines:

    "For Airflo flylines, Airflo's Turbo Shoot is very good. I like to call it "El Slicko". STP's "Son of a Gun" protectant also works well on Airflo lines. I like Rio's Agent X on lines other then Airflo"

    The composition of the fly line very much dictates what you can or should use to recondition it.

    Wash it in a mild detergent like Ivory soap, use a soft cloth to wipe clean, let it dry. Apply an appropriate conditioner. Buff clean with a clean dry soft cloth.

    Again......my method of applying it in the field and not cleaning the line completely first is much to be desired. Don't do what I do applies.......

    All of this sciencey stuff makes my head hurt.


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    Default Re: Thoughts on using protectant on floating lines

    Quote Originally Posted by flytie09 View Post
    Orvis apparently sells the product rebranded as Super Slick Line Dressing - Fly Line Dressing - Orvis. Reviews are pretty sparkly from what I can read. So there you have it.
    I found the same about Orvis using it. Generally the info is spotty. I also found NRS rafts recommends it for their (PVC) rafts. I do like the UV protection and have used it on all of my PVC and plastic gear. Including my PVC inflatable kayak. So far so good.
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    Default Re: Thoughts on using protectant on floating lines

    It is important to wipe off the excess 303- says so on their packaging. Perhaps that's linked to the sinking reports? It's not a floating agent.

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    Default Re: Thoughts on using protectant on floating lines

    Quote Originally Posted by osseous View Post
    You lumped it in with deet and sunscreen- why, I have no idea. Then went in two different directions on Armor All, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I'm still trying to figure out what car seats have to do with fly lines...Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
    Let me try and spell it out, if shop owners in the upholstery business said Armorall caused dashboards and other interior trim to crack, discolor, and deteriorate prematurely, there's a remote possibility it might not be the ideal substance to apply to a somewhat more delicate and more cared for item such as a fly line, right? Especially since the makers of said fly lines make reasonably priced cleaners and treatments designed specifically for their products.
    I personally use Rio's AgentX line dressing (conditioner). I'm not a polymer chemist PhD, but I trust that Rio does...and if they sell it for their lines.....it's what I want to use. Plus it works great.
    Yessir, I use SA's dressing, not often enough, probably the same stuff.

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    Default Re: Thoughts on using protectant on floating lines

    At home I use the bath tub instead of a sink...it is bigger. And, I'll have to check with RIO, but I just use a kitchen microfiber cloth.

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    Default Re: Thoughts on using protectant on floating lines

    Last time I used the bucket to bucket method I ended up with a worse nest-ball in my line than I ever got in my leader following a vicious tailing loop.

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