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    Default Caddis flies

    I was wondering if someone could help me identify these three flies. I’ve been told by different people that they are all Caddis imitations… But others weren’t sure. So I would really love to know the name of these three flies and what they are supposed to imitate.




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    I don't know whether a specific pattern name will tell you what the fish "think" the flies are. They are all wet flies.

    For example, the middle fly could be taken for a caddis but it also could represent a small bait fish or even a something like a damsel fly nymph.

    The bottom fly could be taken for caddis since green is a frequent color for a caddis bot it also could be taken for a mayfly nymph.

    Here is a list of some classic wet flies. Tell me if you can discern what insect they imitate from the name of the fly"

    Classic Wet Flies

    Abbey
    Black and Orange
    Blue Bottle
    Brandreth
    Cassin
    Catskill
    Dr. Burke
    Fergusun
    Fish Hawk
    Fontinalis Fin
    Grizzly King
    Last Chance
    Leadwing Coachman
    Parmachene Belle
    Pebble Beach
    Pink Lady
    Royal Coachman
    Silver Doctor
    Telephone Box
    Tomah Joe
    Trout Fin
    Beauty
    Blae and Black
    Butcher
    Dark Montreal
    Gold Ribbed Hare's Ear
    Greenwell's Glory
    Hardy's Favorite
    Light Caddis
    Mallard and Claret
    Governor
    Guinea Hen
    Silver and Black
    Teal, Blue, and Silver
    Whickham's Fancy
    Regards,

    Silver



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    Here's a tip.

    Maybe you can find the name of the fly by using a reverse image match. Youw ill come up with the image you posted on this site but maybe you will come up with an image of the unknown lfy on a site that has the fly name.

    Here's how to do a reverse image search.

    Find related images with reverse image search - Computer - Google Search Help
    Regards,

    Silver



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    1. Mottled caddis dry
    2. Caddis emerger
    3. Soft hackle caddis pupa

    my guesses

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    Default Re: Caddis flies

    There are many thousands of fly patterns that may not be well known, and some may not even have names. Most folks who tie flies will have some in their fly boxes.

    I agree with Silver Creek, those are all wet flies, but what they may imitate, only the fish will know for sure. Us humans make too many assumptions sometimes.

    Doesn't matter, as long as the fish take the flies. If your intention is to copy them, they could certainly be Caddis imitations. I would tie them in a couple of sizes, then you have more options for fishing them.
    Remember, no one likes to be behind the big truck, but that's better than being under it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustneversleeps View Post
    1. Mottled caddis dry
    2. Caddis emerger
    3. Soft hackle caddis pupa

    my guesses
    I think #1 could be a dry fly. I didn't notice the palmered hackle on the body initially. If it is a dry fly, I think the the wing is too upright for a dry caddis. I think it would be a better imitation for a mayfly.

    If it is a wet fly, I think it is version greenwells glory winged wet fly.



    Barbless Greenwells Glory | The Essential Fly | Wet Flies

    The "mottled caddis" dry fly I know of refers to the mottled wing as in the fly below:



    Brown Mottled Caddis Fly - Trout Fly Pattern | RiverBum.com
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    Silver



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    The top one looks like a Grouse and green, a classic for hatching Caddis on the big waters over here. The others are a mystery to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumble54 View Post
    The top one looks like a Grouse and green, a classic for hatching Caddis on the big waters over here. The others are a mystery to me.
    Here's a Grouse and Green from an internet search. Is this the pattern you mean?

    Grouse & Green | The Essential Fly | Wet Flies



    What struck me is the palmered dry fly hackle on body the top pattern which is a sign of a dry fly. Also the hackle in front of the wing is heavily hackled with dry fly hackle. Maybe it is supposed to be a skittering dry fly pattern --> travelling sedge.

    Traveling Sedge~Caddis (skittering, running, motoring along…a wallow and a glump) | SwittersB & Exploring

    Regards,

    Silver



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    Quote Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
    Here's a Grouse and Green from an internet search. Is this the pattern you mean?

    Grouse & Green | The Essential Fly | Wet Flies



    What struck me is the palmered dry fly hackle on body the top pattern which is a sign of a dry fly. Also the hackle in front of the wing is heavily hackled with dry fly hackle. Maybe it is supposed to be a skittering dry fly pattern --> travelling sedge.

    Traveling Sedge~Caddis (skittering, running, motoring along…a wallow and a glump) | SwittersB & Exploring

    The grouse and green is, just like every fly, variable depending of the tier and can be varied to suit conditions.
    It is, or at least used to be, common practice to add a body hackle for fishing in rougher conditions or when using it as the bob fly in a team of three. this is even more common on Irish lough fly patterns.
    I think people get too hung up about exactness when trying to tie a particular pattern, only the originator of a pattern can know what they were trying to achieve and whether or not it was as successful as it could have been.
    It would be a mistake to think that every illustration of any particular fly is to be taken as gospel and the only way the fly should look.
    The "classic" Grouse and Green is often seen in different books tied in so many differing ways that you would hardly think it were the same pattern. My own variation ( aren't all flies a variation of the original? ) has a Jay throat hackle for the waters I fish and a body hackle for rough water or bob position, without if I put it on the point of a team of three.
    There is also the complication of the Woodcock and green, Mallard and green, Teal and green and so on, they are all variations on a theme.

    The Grouse and Green in your illustration would be considered grossly overdressed for many waters I fish.

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