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    Default Low inertia drag and tippet protection

    Looking at buying either a new reel for a Sage ESN II 2100-4, or just a spare spool for my Lawson Guru series 1 and was wondering how much low drag startup inertia can impact tippet protection. I plan to fish down to 7.5x tippet in NC mountain creeks that typically range from 7” to 14” wild trout, but can also hold larger wild rainbow and browns (21” inch wild brown is my largest in the creek I fish most frequently). I know the rod tip will provide most of the tippet protection, but should I also be concerned about the reels drag system inertia?

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    Interesting, I didn't know you even needed a drag for 7" trout? You could just buy a click and paw reel and palm it? The click and pawl reel just might be the best low inertia start up of any reel-My 2 cents CB

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    Quote Originally Posted by cb3fish View Post
    Interesting, I didn't know you even needed a drag for 7" trout? You could just buy a click and paw reel and palm it? The click and pawl reel just might be the best low inertia start up of any reel-My 2 cents CB
    It’s the occasional large fish moving into the creeks from the Davidson River that makes a drag beneficial, otherwise I’d use my Galvan Brookie.

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    With a really light tippet, I will not use the reel and its drag to fight the fish. I just strip the line in and control the "drag" pressure with my hands.

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    SR,

    I just don't think you need a drag for trout especially with the light tippets you use. Example: we fish for King salmon with old wore out Hardy's (click and pawl) and 9-10 wt Sage rods with 10 pound test, My buddy caught the world record King on 7 pound test and the fish was 73 pounds, it was the largest king EVER caught on a fly rod. Now after that being said I do understand you are in different circumstances and do incur different problems then I can see from a key board, however it's something you might want to think about My 2 cents and free advice is worth about 2 cents-Good luck CB

    PS this picture is me with about a 45-48 pounder-Not the record fish.
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    Default Re: Low inertia drag and tippet protection

    Quote Originally Posted by SRSteelheader View Post
    Looking at buying either a new reel for a Sage ESN II 2100-4, or just a spare spool for my Lawson Guru series 1 and was wondering how much low drag startup inertia can impact tippet protection. I plan to fish down to 7.5x tippet in NC mountain creeks that typically range from 7” to 14” wild trout, but can also hold larger wild rainbow and browns (21” inch wild brown is my largest in the creek I fish most frequently). I know the rod tip will provide most of the tippet protection, but should I also be concerned about the reels drag system inertia?
    Start up inertia is usually a percentage of the drag setting. For example, if the drag is set a 2 lbs, a 25% start up inertia would be 0.5 lbs. The reason I use 25% is that some reels do have a start up inertia that is that is 25%.

    Since the start up inertia is a % of the drag setting, the drag setting itself should be set as a % of the tipper breaking strength. Don't set the drag at over 50% of the breaking strength of the tippet and 50% is quite high. This means a 4 lb tippet drag setting could be set at 2 lbs. Try pulling up a 2lb weight with your rod.

    If the start up inertia is 25% then a 2 lb drag setting would have an drag resistance of 2.5 lbs to get the drag slipping.

    Another problem with a relatively high drag setting of 50% is that as fly line is taken out, the "effective radius" of the spool decreases. As the radius decreases, the force needed to rotate the spool against the reel drag increases. This is minimized by a large arbor reel but it still occurs.

    Here's another problem with disk drags on trout reels. Almost all use synthetic materials like Deldrin and Rulon.

    Synthetic-drag reels most often employ carbon, Delrin, or Rulon plastics (or some combination of these materials) as brake surfaces, backed up by a spring system to maintain tension. Rulon and Delrin are both extremely dense composite plastics, based on fluorocarbon and nylon, respectively. “They last more or less forever,” says Orvis’s Lepage, “and you don’t need to maintain them since they are self-lubricating.” On the other hand, neither one compresses, so the “ramp up” or increase in tension from when the fish begins to take line to when it hits maximum drag isn’t as smooth. That means an increase in “startup inertia.”

    “What exactly is startup inertia anyway? Any surface that drags, from fly reels to airplane wings, is measured by its “friction coefficient.” A fly reel that has a friction coefficient of zero would have no start up inertia, no resistance to movement, meaning that the second a fish began to take line, the reel would start rotating as smoothly as if it were at top speed. Unfortunately, we know from Physics 101 that objects at rest like to stay at rest, and reels are no different. In fact, no reel has zero startup inertia, although some designs boast very low (almost negligible) numbers. On the other hand, some materials, such as carbon fiber, have high coefficients of friction — good for stopping power, but bad for startup inertia. Designers are constantly balancing these two factors.”


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    IMHO some inertia is required to properly set the hook; otherwise there's not enough power even with tiny tippet.
    For my reels that can reduce to basically no inertia I have to turn the drag up a little for the set (I use 6x tippet commonly).

    Is 7.5x really required or could you get away 5.5x - 6x?

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    Thanks all. I appreciate the feedback reading it all, and doing additional research I am not quite as concerned.

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    How much inertia could there be to overcome with a reel that weighs 4 oz? Some people can overthink a rum & coke~

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