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Default Non-glossy thread epoxy

I'm building a rod with a flat-black blank and guides.

Is there a suitable guide epoxy that will also have a flat finish? Or, is there some trick to taking the shine off normal glossy epoxy?
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Default Re: Non-glossy thread epoxy

If, and that is the key word here, 'if' you are willing to use something other than epoxy McCloskey makes the Man O' War Marine Spar Varnish in satin gloss. There will still be a sheen but not the glass like high gloss of a finish like Flex Coat.

I have a bamboo rod that I finished with this product in 1989 and the wraps are still as good as the day I coated them. Prior to our modern epoxy finishes Spar varnish was the accepted treatment for rod finishing. I am going to upgrade the strippers and guides on my 1981 Hardy this winter and will use varnish to finish the dressings. If I were doing a rod like you describe I wouldn't hesitate to use McCloskey's varnish on the threads.

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Default Re: Non-glossy thread epoxy

+1 on using varnish. Or you could try letting the wrap cure and seeing if you could knock down the shine a bit. Would need to be careful not to compromise the integrity of the finish but could we worth a try. If it is a bad idea hopefully someone will chime in
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Default Re: Non-glossy thread epoxy

Varnish sounds like a possibility.

I was wondering about urethane. That comes in gloss, semi, and flat. It's usually pretty thin, so it will take a lot of coats.
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Default Re: Non-glossy thread epoxy

Although urethane has seized a large part of the coatings market, rod builders and boat restoration folks stay the course with Spar Varnish. The McCloskey product is low viscosity and will take 3 coats to make a good build . You can do more but generally (if I remember) by the time you apply #3 you're looking pretty good.
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Default Re: Non-glossy thread epoxy

It looks like McCloskey and Valspar are the same company now.

My local Lowes carries Valspar Man O' War spar varnish.

Is that the stuff?
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Default Re: Non-glossy thread epoxy

Yes, it should be available in quarts but a pint will last a lifetime Not to worry about Valspar, I spent a good many years in restoration and Historical restorations as well. Valspar has been in the coatings business since somewhere around 1870. I used many of their products and had many satisfied customers.
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Default Re: Non-glossy thread epoxy

Dear Hardyreels,
You better be careful who you tell about using spar varnish! I mentioned on the Robdbuilding forum that I had used Helmsman Spar Varnish on a 9ft 5wt Quickline project and got fussed at strongly for being an amateur and using old fashioned technology. Actually, the rod turned out very well with a flat looking, non globby, covering over the wraps.
Its too bad some people have only one idea of what is acceptable and have no sense of humor.
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Default Re: Non-glossy thread epoxy

I would never question the expertise of the rod finisher's on that forum but remember that varnish was good enough for Payne, Garrison, H.L. Leonard, Gillium, Hardy Bros. LTD. and many others who were building and finishing fly rods before we were born

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Default Re: Non-glossy thread epoxy

I've used spar varnish and then knocked off the gloss with T-Cut metallic restorer. Make sure you get the right one and use it lightly:

Halfords | T-Cut Metallic Colour Restorer 500ml

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