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    First rod wrapped was by hand 35 yrs ago. Did on lap by hand for years. Friend gave me old Flex-Coat wrapping station (fake wood). Made me wish I had gotten one long ago. Makes things so easy. Two tensioners, multiple position side supports.
    Second thing, I believe it was an 8w for fresh & salt. Getting good guides was mentioned. Spacing for guides can be had from company selling chosen blank. While the foot of a guide can make things simpler to wrap. The size of the guides can make line easier to cast. I've built or re-built every rod I have. Mostly so bigger guides than come on rods are used. Line flows better.
    My 8w's start with 20 mm stripper. Then 16 and sometimes 10 before snake guides. Snakes 6, 5, 4, then 3's before XL tip.
    Most of my fishing is saltwater now. But bigger guides used to help on rivers in PA. One thing to keep in mind about this is rod tubes. Too big with guides and rod tubes turn into white pvc from home cheapo w/caps.

    ......... pc

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike126 View Post
    I'm thinking about building a fly rod for the first time. Ideally I'd like to go with a Sage blank since I really like the way my Sage 4wt rod casts and have always liked a faster action rod. The rod I'd like to build is a 7wt or 8wt 9' for small mouth bass and saltwater. As a newbie, I have lots of questions but will try to keep them to a few...

    First, given this is my first attempt should I invest in a Sage blank or one that is a letter less costly?

    I'm looking to either make or buy a hand wrapper. Preferably one with a tensioner. I have a full woodshop (for my hobby) so building one is pretty simple. Recommendations for something simple but effective?

    Do I need a dryer?

    Any recommendations on where to purchase blanks, guides, reel seats, and grips etc?

    Thanks for the advice...
    Mike
    I made my own rod wrapping station with a sewing machine thread tensioner.

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    I used an old barbeque rotisserie motor adapted to hold the end of the wrapped rod. I adapted one end of a crutch tip to hold rod handle for rotation and the other end attached to a wooden dowel to put into the rotisserie motor.

    The rod blank is supported by "V" notches in the ends of 2X4 support blocks and the V end of the blocks covered with a layer of flannel to avoid scratching the blank The blank was also taped with a layer of masking tape so it would not be scratched where is rests and rotates on the supports

    To align the guides temporarily tape them on blank with masking tape. Look down the rod blank with the guides on the BOTTOM. Look along the TOP of the rod blank and an equal amount of guide should be seen on each side of the blank. Very small amounts of deviation can be detected. This method is more accurate than looking along the top of the blank with the guides on the top.

    When the guides are taped, leave the edges of the guide feet exposed so the thread can be started onto the guide foot. The the tape on that side can be removed.

    Here is a similar plan with photos.

    Building a wrapping jig for $15 or less. - Miscellaneous - Rod Building
    Regards,

    Silver



    "Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought"..........Szent-Gyorgy

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    There's a ton of options here, and like anything else, it all depends on how much you want to spend.
    If you want to do a sage the first time out, it's fine. Just keep in mind if you build more, you get better!
    Wrapping stations. If you have a wood shop, you'll be better at building those sorts of things than me for sure. I built my first rod on a "station" that was nothing more than a cut up cardboard box with a fly tying bobbin as the tension device. I've since purchased a CRB station, I think it was around $30, it does it's job well and was cheap enough. Of course I don't really have woodworking tools or knowledge either, so... I would say if you're comfortable building one, go for it! There's a good satisfaction that comes with building your own stuff. Probably why you're contemplating building the rod in the first place!
    As for where to purchase, I like mudhole. Pretty much everything you need in one stop.
    Rod dryer, not needed, but definitely a convienence item. Without one, you'll need to sit there and turn by hand for 4 hours or so.
    A few other pointers:
    I like the prowrap colorfast thread. Doesn't require color preserver to be applied, one less step and thing to buy.
    I recommend the prokote rod finish. Good pot life, crystal clear, easy to remove bubbles.
    When applying the finish, more, thinner coats is much easier to get a good result with rather than fewer, thick coats.
    As far as components go, I've had great luck with and been recommending American Tackle.
    When wrapping, take your time, and don't be afraid to cut it off and try again. Specially if you are starting with a nice, expensive blank! Thread is cheap. Staring at gaps or runaway threads aren't!

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    After thinking about this a little more and doing a lot of online research and video watching, I think I'm going to start with something less expensive first. My son wants a spinning rod so I was going to look over at MudHole and pick up a kit and build him one for the holidays. That should give me an opportunity to practice without messing up a $400 blank. I also ordered some thread and the guides for the Sage. I'll practice wrapping on an older fly rod.

    This weekend I should have some time to make a wrapping stand in between finishing up my kitchen cabinet project (3 years in the making!). I was thinking of something along the lines of a Pacific Bay style. The thread tensioner should be easy to make.

    Pacific Bay RodSmith Hand Rod Wrapper RW-JR | mudhole.com

    Worse comes to worse I'll pick up a tensioner for a sewing machine and modify the wrapper.

    I do kind of like having the dryer but will wait until I'm ready for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike126 View Post
    After thinking about this a little more and doing a lot of online research and video watching, I think I'm going to start with something less expensive first. My son wants a spinning rod so I was going to look over at MudHole and pick up a kit and build him one for the holidays. That should give me an opportunity to practice without messing up a $400 blank. I also ordered some thread and the guides for the Sage. I'll practice wrapping on an older fly rod.

    This weekend I should have some time to make a wrapping stand in between finishing up my kitchen cabinet project (3 years in the making!). I was thinking of something along the lines of a Pacific Bay style. The thread tensioner should be easy to make.

    Pacific Bay RodSmith Hand Rod Wrapper RW-JR | mudhole.com

    Worse comes to worse I'll pick up a tensioner for a sewing machine and modify the wrapper.

    I do kind of like having the dryer but will wait until I'm ready for that.
    Nice, your son will really charish that rod some day! Dont ve afraid to post pics and/or ask questions here along the way. Even though its a spin rod, the basic building principles are still the same, and Id love to see it come together, regardless if its a fly rod or not.

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    Post Re: First Time at Rod Building - Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by mike126 View Post
    After thinking about this a little more and doing a lot of online research and video watching, I think I'm going to start with something less expensive first. My son wants a spinning rod so I was going to look over at MudHole and pick up a kit and build him one for the holidays. That should give me an opportunity to practice without messing up a $400 blank. I also ordered some thread and the guides for the Sage. I'll practice wrapping on an older fly rod.
    One of the most difficult parts of rod building is applying thread finish so that it's even with no bubbles. I prefer to do two or even three light coats of finish.

    It's good you'll make your first rod on a cheaper blank. I'd keep my eye out for holiday sales on blanks and components. If you find a Sage blank on sale buy it now.

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