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    Default Re: Echo 3 & 3S Fly Rods

    S&S, you'll chuckle at my choice of a rod for mid-sized Bones; it's a Sage TCX 7 wt. with a 9 wt. Sci Ang Bonefish line. The line gets it through the wind without much effort and the rod is the right size for fighting medium size Bones.

    Pocono

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    Pocono, I have fished the TCX #7 for a week in Acklins Isl. and loved it. I know at least two expert bonefishers that consider it among the best rods for bones ever. However, I like it with a RIO Bonefish in its rated #7. Granted it has the stuff to throw heavier line but I feel it is at its sharpest with a 7 or perhaps 7.5 line. Too bad RIO doesn't make their Tarpon lighter than 8 weight as that line in 7 (7.5) would be ideal for TCX. Overlining it slows it and dulls its reflexes, in my opinion. A 7 being smaller in diameter, with this rod's potency, would cut ever-present Bahamin wind well. I encourage you to take it out on a big lawn and try it with a few different lines. I appreciate that it is rod that requires excelent timing and strong stops to generate its potential line speed but this is a specialty rod built for few but critical casts that does not have many peers.

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    Default Re: Echo 3 & 3S Fly Rods

    I'd echo (no pun intended) what others have said about the BVK.

    Quote Originally Posted by notenuftoys View Post
    I called Rajeff Sports today, and the Echo3 9wt is 5oz. That puts it towards the lighter side of the mid-priced 9wts.
    Rajeff Sports will treat you right, though. Called there with an off the wall question about adding a fighting butt to my Echo Classic 6 wt...for light steelheading. The person who answered handed the phone to Tim, who spent about 20 minutes looking in his warehouse for parts and mailing them to me, no charge.

    -Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetandsalt View Post
    Pocono, I have fished the TCX #7 for a week in Acklins Isl. and loved it. I know at least two expert bonefishers that consider it among the best rods for bones ever. However, I like it with a RIO Bonefish in its rated #7. Granted it has the stuff to throw heavier line but I feel it is at its sharpest with a 7 or perhaps 7.5 line. Too bad RIO doesn't make their Tarpon lighter than 8 weight as that line in 7 (7.5) would be ideal for TCX. Overlining it slows it and dulls its reflexes, in my opinion. A 7 being smaller in diameter, with this rod's potency, would cut ever-present Bahamin wind well. I encourage you to take it out on a big lawn and try it with a few different lines. I appreciate that it is rod that requires excelent timing and strong stops to generate its potential line speed but this is a specialty rod built for few but critical casts that does not have many peers.
    S&S, I fish the TCX 7 wt. with a standard 7 wt. line for Smallmouths and it responds just fine.

    Here's another anecdote for you.

    I was fishing on the upper Androscoggin for Smallmouths in July and had to leave the house very early in order to meet up with the other couple that we were fishing with. It was a guided trip through 6 miles of private water on the Andro. Like most guides, ours wanted to check out our basic skills at the start before we got too far from the launch ramp. My casting was absolutely awful for the first 5-10 casts, then it got better and really smoothed out later in the day when I was finding 3-4 lb. fish under branches and behind rocks while floating the middle of the river. When I got home, I wound the line back on the plastic spool and right under the taped "WF7F" was another designation "WF4F"! Yup, I'd fished that 7 wt. TCX the whole day with a 4 wt. line.

    I'm starting to think that rod will do almost everything well.....

    You're right about it and timing; just think how hard I had to work to get it timed correctly for that 4 wt. line

    Pocono

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    That is a good tale, I can not imaging that super quick stick even bending with such skinny string.

    I really appreciate the TCR/TCX lineage but employ them only in situations where relativly few casts are executed but must place a fly at distance with accuracy. Brilliant for hunting permit or big bones from a skiff but somewhat tiresome for repeated or "blind" casting. There are so many sweeter rods from Sage's offerings alone, like Z-Axis and the new One.

    Back to ECHO; we are refering to a new model in this thread that few of us have had an opportunity to see much less cast and fish. The 8-weight shootout (which I am a fan of) is oft refered to as have vaulted BVK into the realm of the hig-priced rods. In the smaller print, early in Anderson's elaborat write-up, he indicated that he could not include everything particularly rods not readily available in shops like Albright and Allen Nti, he did no mention ECHO though. I just can't believe a man with the talents and reputation of Tim Rajeff is going to put his name on a rod that is anything less than very good. I hope to see him and his new rods at Somerset in January.

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    I realize this is an old thread but I just want to say as a previous TFO owner that the BVK seems like a nice rod for a good price until you fish it a while (about 10 outings in my case) and the cheap cork handle starts to come apart in your hand (also the cork had a 1/4 inch pit in it upon arrival, which I dealt with) or the blank breaks in a very strange spot in the middle of the second section from the tip top.... Had two separate rods break in that same exact spot while casting and no I wasn't high sticking and no I've never snapped another rod in my life from simply casting.

    I picked up an Echo 3S and the superior quality is apparent from the start, high grade cork handle, hard chrome stainless and oversized stripping and snake guides and very well crafted thread wraps with a beautiful deep blue blank. The TFO is a flat out POS compared to the Echo 3S, you may save money on the initial cost of the TFO but after spending 25 bucks a pop on two warranty replacements from TFO I gave up on them. I'm using the 10wt Echo 3s for chucking heavy shooting heads for Calico Bass on the West Coast and it can throw a wide range of grain weights and it does it well.... I am using grain weights between 350 and 500 grains on it at the moment and it's a cannon... roll, back cast shoot it all with nearly zero effort.

    MY buddy has a 6wt Echo 3 and we hooked into some Leopard sharks one day and he got the thing in on it but it made a violent run at the last second and the line was wrapped up in the tip and snapped the rod (any rod would have snapped from that) guess what Echo replaced it no questions asked and had him a new rod just as fast as TFO would have. My opinion is that Echo is a far superior product and they stand by their products... my same friends echo ion freshwater reel rusted out, from saltwater use, and they still sent him a brand new reel for 25 bucks, they just rock!

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    Default Re: Echo 3 & 3S Fly Rods

    This is an old thread indeed but I would most definitely agree in the craftsmanship of the Echo rods. I've read countless articles and threads on how terrific Tim Rajeff and his staff are at Echo...just plain awesome. I have a 9ft 9-wt Edge Saltwater and am just impressed how beautiful this thing is in person...and a blast to fish with. I've never fished a BVK but your story about them isn't unusual from what I've read. This was a front runner for me and am glad I did further research before I pulled the trigger on one. +1 for Echo

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    Yes, an old tread but since it is revived, I will enter an update. Since writing what I have above I have fished an ECHO3S #9 in Andros and have replaced my #6 BVK with a same size ECHO3...a notably superior rod. I have also grown disenchanted with our BVK #8, though it has not failed us it simply lacks character and refinement. Other than its light weight, it has made me question Anderson's shootout rankings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCliff View Post
    I generally like Echo's rods, but I think if you're after bang-for-the-buck in a high performance rod, you owe it to yourself to try a TFO BVK.

    They're simply amazing and they sell for $250.



    Greetings,

    I have both rods in 5 wt and I will say that they are apples and oranges. The BVK is a great rod for some sort of dry or dry dropper rig. However, it absolutely stinks in the wind!! On the other side the Echo 3 is quite a bit stiffer and is a great nymphing rig. I use it in the winter because it is great to nymph with and it is pretty inexpensive so I don't really care if I damage it. The echo 3 also shoots very well in the wind, much much better than the BVK.

    Both are great rods for the money but are definitely made for different things. In all I would get the Echo 3 for a better "all around rod." Not as delicate as the BVK but a workhorse for sure

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    sorry to bring back this old thread, but I am looking at the Echo 3 currently in replace of an orvis T3, and was curious if anyone had any updates on how their Echo 3's are performing? Also, How is their warranty?

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