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    I have recently acquired a the zenith 5 wt and have it paired with 5 wt SA textured GPX line. I am reasonable new to fly fishing and find it hard loading the rod with this line. I borrowed a friends reel with 6 wt WF line and found it loaded much better and I could cast much shorter and further. Question: is the rod better suited to 6 wt line or is my poor casting letting me down with the 5 wt line?

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    Do you own any other rods, if so how do they cast? If the answer is no, go to a fly shop and try a couple of different 5 wt rods and see if you cast them any better with 5 wt line. This will give you the answer.

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    Agreed, a Zenith can be a tricky first rod to have. Great rod though.

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    Default Re: 5 wt Hardy Zenith

    Quote Originally Posted by ordinaryfisherman View Post
    I have recently acquired a the zenith 5 wt and have it paired with 5 wt SA textured GPX line. I am reasonable new to fly fishing and find it hard loading the rod with this line. I borrowed a friends reel with 6 wt WF line and found it loaded much better and I could cast much shorter and further. Question: is the rod better suited to 6 wt line or is my poor casting letting me down with the 5 wt line?
    I have the same rod and I use a Rio Gold 5 wt. line on it most of the time; sometimes an SA Sharkskin 5 wt. It casts well for me with a WF5F line.

    If you find it casts easier for you with a 6 wt. line, then try slowing down your casting stroke a little; give the rod time to load. You can almost always horse an over-lined rod into performance casting mode with a quick, fast stroke; just because of the extra weight of the line. If you slow your stroke down a bit with the 5 wt. line, you may notice that you can feel the rod load better; which sounds like what you're missing with your 5 wt. line now, but picking up with your friend's 6 wt. line.

    Also, on your cast; both the forward cast and the back cast, once you can feel the rod load from the weight of the line, start your casting stroke slow and finish it fast. Some people use the exact opposite type of stroke and they're usually forced into horsing the rod to get their lines out where they want them.

    One more thing. If you're relatively new to fly fishing, try not to drift your rod on your back cast; meaning, at the end of your casting stroke hold the rod in the position where you finished the stroke, don't let it drift back on you. That's a good way to miss the feeling of the rod when it's loading up with the weight of the line. Later on, drifting may become a friend to you when you want to make long casts, but for now, try to keep the rod in the position where you finished your backcast.

    Give it a try; see if it helps your casting with the 5 wt. SA GPX line.

    Pocono

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    Thanks excellent advice, I'll give it a try.

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    Not that I am a master certified caster or anything but I found the 4wt Zenith to cast pretty nicely with Gold and GPX Textured. I actually preferred the GPX on it, but we all like something a little different, others mileage may vary. Pocono gave sound advice, I too suspect your issues all have to do with timing. Since acquiring more rods than I'll ever need, and taking a casting lesson, I have become more in tune with the difference timing makes and the impact on loading the rod.

    If you can swing it, I would highly recommend taking a casting lesson from your local fly shop. It has made a big difference for me and I'll likely be taking another one this year just to get ready for the upcoming season. I liken casting lessons to a golf swing. Even the best golfers have swing coaches.
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    I too have this Zenith 5-weight and have cast several different lines with it and found it to be a true #5 liking equally well RIO Gold and SA Mastery Expert Distance Taper. Its soft tip is easily overloaded and dulled with a heavier line but a new caster might find it hard to feel the quickly progressing taper into the mid and especially lower taper portions of the rod. Probably not the ideal beginners rod though not nearly as demanding as say, Sage ONE for example. Ditto on the casting lesson and pay particular attention to not introduce slack at any phase of your casting stroke. This is a very fine rod and you will grow into it.

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    Well after a moment of insanity I walked out of my local shop with a brand spanking new 905-4 Zenith today. I paired it with a Hardy Ultralite DD5000 and a fresh spool of Rio GOLD . I went with the traditional Gold vs the new non stretch core. While I do intend to throw small streamers and bugger with it I will also do a lot of hopper dropper, nymph and dry fly fishing with this so I wanted a versatile line.

    I can't wait to go wet a line with this , test casting it was awesome.

    I literally went in to the shop doing self talk "don't buy another Sage rod and Ross reel". Well once I cast the Zenith self talk was over. I went with the Hardy reel really to "just try it" and have something different since I have Ross,Allen,Sage,Nautilus and Bauer reels already

    While I doubt I am 100% off the Sage kool aid its nice to add some variety to the rod rack
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    Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
    How was the taste of the Zenith's Kool Aid? be careful, it won't be your last Zenith.
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    When I got my Zenith earlier this year, I found I had to get a bit of line out before it "woke up". Later, I learned to really "pay attention" on short casts, and I found the rod "talking to me' just fine- all I had to do was "listen".

    A light, yet firm, grip, and really try to feel. There will come the "ahah!" moment, trust me.

    I've found short dry fly presentations to be this rod's weakness. Dry/dropper, open up the loop. Chucks streamers like nobody's bidness.

    HTH,
    CAB

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