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    Yup. There is one line I saw a commercial for it that actually bragged about being a full weight off of the indusrty standard. It made me snap my head up when they said it. I git a bunch of fishing channel free previews with my sat. provider. I was about half paying attention when it happened. I almost laughed out loud. "Full line weight off" and "industry standard" in the same sentence.

    Lines are not as unreliable as rods in calling them what they are, but they are guilty of the same thing. Then there is the fact the only count the first 30' and taper and weight of the running line are not counted. Weight of the running line as in nice to know for overhang. Tapers, etc.........

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    This is an interesting thread. If I had read it several months ago, I may have done some things differently. I had a fast action, 6 wt rod from a major US rod maker of whom I am a big fan of their slower action rods. I used that rod many times and simply couldn't get it to do the job I wanted it to do. I'll bet this system would have revealed that the line size I was using wasn't a match for the rod. Either the rod was mismarked or the line was. I'm thinking of investing in a grain scale, anyone have any experience with using one and which one is best for the money?

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    Meiser rods sell one for $22.00 they use specifically for weighing lines. Link here;
    R. B. Meiser Fly Rods - Spey Shop

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    I was just asked if it was OK to use Canadian pennies.

    Unit of mass utilized in the CCS, composed of a common U.S. one cent piece minted after the year 1996. Each of which has the mass of 38.61 grains or 2.50 grams.

    By using pennies from Canada that are like you would use if using US pennies, shiney and all from one weight series, you can convert the system to Canadian. Here is the weight chart for Canadian pennies:

    Years Mass Diameter/Shape Composition



    2000-present * 2.35 g 19.05 mm, round 94% steel, 1.5% nickel, 4.5% copper plated zinc



    1997-1999 * 2.25 g 19.05 mm, round 98.4% zinc, 1.6% copper plating



    1982-1996 2.5 g 19.1 mm, 12-sided 98% copper, 1.75% tin, 0.25% zinc



    1980-1981 2.8 g 19.0 mm, round 98% copper, 1.75% tin, 0.25% zinc



    1978-1979 3.24 g 19.05 mm, round 98% copper, 1.75% tin, 0.25% zinc



    1942-1977 3.24 g 19.05 mm, round 98% copper, 0.5% tin, 1.5% zinc



    1920-1941 3.24 g 19.05 mm, round 95.5% copper, 3% tin, 1.5% zinc



    1876-1920 5.67 g 25.4 mm, round 95.5% copper, 3% tin, 1.5% zinc



    1858-1859 4.54 g 25.4 mm, round 95% copper, 4% tin, 1% zinc

    If you use 1982-1996 CN pennies with no corrosion, it is a 1:1 swap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diver Dan View Post
    Recently there has been a ton of posts asking if they should overline a rod, or what line for this rod. I almost always reply that it depends on the rod. Not all makers mark their rods as what they really are. In fact it is a rare rod that is what it is claimed to be. Given that fact, I generally tell them to test the rod and see what it really is. It is not hard to do and there are a lot of rods that have already been tested and the results published on the web.

    Here is the Common Cents System method of telling what weight your rod really is: The Common Cents System

    A chart that makes more sense than the one they provide and does larger rods: Full ERN chart

    OK, now I am going to give you the fast easy directions to finding out what weight your rod really is.

    1. Trap your rod by the handle parallel to the floor with the tip of the rod more than 1/3 the rod's length, higher than the floor. For example, you need to have the rod parallel to the floor and more than 3' off the floor for a 9' rod. I'd give it a foot to spare.

    2. Take a small paper clip and unbend one end so it makes an 'S' shape. Find a small plastic bag.

    3. Hang the plastic bag from the rod tip using the 'S' shaped clip, and then measure the distance from the tip to the floor and be precise.

    4. Put pennies that are shiney and newer than 1996 into the bag till you have bent the rod tip to 1/3 the length of the rod from the measurement you got in step 3.

    5. So for an easy example, lets say in step 3 you had a 9' rod and got a measurement of exactly 4.0 feet from the tip of the rod to the floor. Then in step 4 you got enough pennies in the bag to get a measurement of precisely 1.0 feet from the rod tip to the floor. Take the pennies and count them. For this example lets say you are testing an Orvis 'Zero Gravity Midflex' 5 wt., 9' rod. The number of pennies you count will be 53. This gives you an ERN, or actual rod weight of 6.5.

    I would avoid the new nonstandard pennies, as I am not sure they are using the same slug to stamp them as the old style pennies. If they do any penny newer than 1996 is good as long as it is still shiney. This works because there is a known weight for these pennies.

    There is a second way that is even easier, but does not work for all rods. Look it up for previously tested results. Here is a chart with a lot of results. If you look at our example rod you see a guy named Magnus has already done the work and calls it a 6.5 wt. rod. Sexyloops Rod Database

    There was another site that had a great number of rods listed but they must not have paid to keep the site up and it has vanished.

    Now in the case of the rod we used as an example, if you 'overline' it with a 6 wt. line, you are in reallity still underlined by a half wieght, provided the line maker didn't fib about that also.



    Hopefully this helps with some of the questions.

    Addition; If you use 1982-1996 CN pennies with no corrosion, it is a 1:1 swap. Both have the same weight.
    Can you provide the URL for the missing website. There are places online that archive old websites. It might be worth a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glcaddis View Post
    This is an interesting thread. If I had read it several months ago, I may have done some things differently. I had a fast action, 6 wt rod from a major US rod maker of whom I am a big fan of their slower action rods. I used that rod many times and simply couldn't get it to do the job I wanted it to do. I'll bet this system would have revealed that the line size I was using wasn't a match for the rod. Either the rod was mismarked or the line was. I'm thinking of investing in a grain scale, anyone have any experience with using one and which one is best for the money?
    I'm a little late to reply here, But I wouldn't spend much. Results could be accomplished with a cheap scale.

    I'm just using an earlier version of this one.

    1000 Gram Digital Scale

    I love it, since its purchase I have found all sorts of fishing types of uses for it. There is really no shortcut for actual time on the water, But if your into used gear, a scale like this will often put you into the ballpark a lot sooner if you start measuring your rods, and lines.

    You will start to notice your own tendencies, and ultimately it will just become another tool to help you find that ideal setup more quickly.

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    It is ALL subjective.... One measurement feels different to one caster than another...
    Steve

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