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    Default Re: NRX vs. Sage One vs. NRX LP

    Hello OP.

    Since you like the LP so much, at least to my mind, there is a good chance you will really NRX. It’s not as fast as the One or Method, but it sounds like what you want.

    My first idea was for you to jump to a 6, a NRX 6 wt, that would be a good 1-2 punch. You could use it for any bigger nymph rigs wind, big dry droppers, but I can see the wisdom in a just a 5 to go with the 5LP. Then you’ve got all the 5 situations covered.

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    Default Re: NRX vs. Sage One vs. NRX LP

    Quote Originally Posted by sweetandsalt View Post
    Not an easy question myt1 as NRX and ONE have very different taper designs. ONE and NRX (#5's) are both fast as is Radian. ONE has what I referee to as a continuously varying steep taper with a scalpel like tip, ideally suited for technical dry fly work on bigger water. NRX is fast too but much more progressive in flex so the tip, though very fast recovering is more compliant than ONE's. So ONE has a faster tip but NRX has even more lower taper potency than ONE which has a lot. Both of these rods have superb technical presentation capabilities...NRX is a bit more versatile and intuitive while ONE has about as fast reflexes as exist...I'm so fortunate to fish both. Deeper flexing LP is, like Dillon wrote, more of a generalist with enough tip flex to nymph well and fish wet flies on the swing. I delightful, less specialized rod to cast relatively easily. Radian is fast through its mid and lower taper but dramatically softer in the upper tip. It somewhat overlaps with LP though LP flexes deeper and more smoothly. There is a little hitch where the Radian tip transitions into the upper mid that most do not notice but disconcerens me.

    Enough descriptive stuff, more abstractly If I wanted to cut the applicability differences between ONE and LP I'd test cast T&T Avantt, Douglas SKY, Taylor Truth and Orvis H3 (I prefer the D over the F). Some might say Winston AIR but I think that is a little slower yet than LP.
    Thanks again for another very knowledgeable reply.

    I had no idea it was as simple as all that.

    If and when the NRX's go on closeout I'll probably take a chance on one, mainly because I'm a Loomis guy, but also because you say the NRX is a bit more "versatile and intuitive" than the ONE.

    Thanks so much to everyone.
    -Rick Allen

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    Default Re: NRX vs. Sage One vs. NRX LP

    ONE and Method are truly brilliant rods with enormous capabilities. The nature of their tapers though suggest a good degree of focus and engagement; these are not casual casters.

    What willy, who is a fine caster, says is true. The best rod for any of us is what we are most attuned to. I would encourage, however, when testing differing rods, to not lock into habitualized casting behavior. Be open minded, cast short, medium and long and strive to "learn" a new rod's personality.

    A rod on close out discount is not a bargain if it is not the rod for you.

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    Having owned all of the rods discussed I would say that Loomis rods are the most “accessible” for most casters over the sage one or method. I am a relatively new convert to Loomis tapers and for me I think they are the best in the industry!

    If only I had listened to my fellow Delaware brethren who for years have been singing their praises....


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    I also have a NRX-LP in a 9'5wt and that is my favorite rod, it is my first choice. over all my rods. I have had many as I'm sure all of you have had as well. I personally like my Sage and Loomis rods the best so I have a few of them but I think the sleeper in the group that I has not been hiped is the New G Loomis IMX PRO this 9'5 wt fishes beautifully. nice soft tip but one ofb the strongest butt sections out there, these were supposed to have been designed with the help of worldwide fishing Guides. I wound up selling my Sage X and my Sage one and kept this rod it will throw close perfectly and Bomb it better than 90% of all the rods out there. I can fish a 6 wt+ on this rod for streamers or a standard 5 wt for softer closer presentations when needed. GREAT ROD that I would recommend highly.... The NRX-LP and the IMX-PRO will cover it all

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    Just my opinion i cast all the top of the range 9ft 5wts a year or two ago and the only rod i really disliked was the 5wt NRX.I found it to have a heavy swing weight,stiff and tiring to cast.I didnt enjoy it at all.I ended up with a 5wt Radian.In a way it felt lifeless to me,much like the 5wt One.But the One was at least light in hand.

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    Default Re: NRX vs. Sage One vs. NRX LP

    Nicely said Willy,

    I have yet to cast an inaccurate rod, or a rod more accurate than the others... . I have cast rods that lend themselves to competition accuracy, and others not so much. But with a change of line a/o leader; more importantly an awareness and hence adjustment from the caster, voilá: a more accurate rod appears. Casters have tendencies and cadences in their stroke that befit one rod over the other at first blush - but to let that be It, no room for a wider outlook would be, well, small.

    YMMV
    Craig
    Quote Originally Posted by willyf View Post
    The most accurate rod is the one that you feel that you cast best. Accuracy is not an innate characteristic of a rod. I'd say the advertising hyperbole when it comes to accuracy is more than some. The Team USA fly casters use 40 year old, very soft (for today) rods in their accuracy competitions--and they dominate internationally. You can read more here. Real world fly fishing accuracy is quite different from competition accuracy, but the skills have very significant overlap. If you want to pick an "accurate" rod, you need to cast a bunch side by side and see which one you're most accurate with--quantify it!

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    Default Re: NRX vs. Sage One vs. NRX LP

    e c, Why do Competition casters tend toward deeper flexing rods for accuracy while so many of us go the opposite way for angling accuracy?

    And, saff, it is odd that in my hand the trout sized ONEs are among the liveliest rods I fish...with no overlining either. And very few rods posses the seamlessness of taper transitions embodied in NRX.

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    Default Re: NRX vs. Sage One vs. NRX LP

    It is not deeper flexing rods per say; it is a tip that need not be as delicate as with fishing.

    All things being equal, competition accuracy does not need to be done at sonic nor moving fish speed. There is crossover - In the real world, my fishing world, the speed thing is almost never needed. Guys cast way too fast, with a cadence that hurts to watch. In competition, the caster needs to find their fly, see their fly. A quick, sharp cast provides zero time to find the fly:

    < Control cast, find fly, control fly, place fly >

    I use a similar thought pattern when I fish you-know-where.

    When I say 'Find fly', I mean in space, in the air. To see it peripherally, and then with loop turnover, to hover. Hovering a fly is a skill. Most think they hover a fly, and they may well hover it a bit; I guarantee they've not seen the skill done in high form.

    So, designing a rod: if we change the tip of the rod, do we only do that? or do we adjust/tweak another item or two as a way to support our primary change? Usually the later. And so you start activating the rod's action down a bit deeper. This enables a slower, slinkier cadence to the loops, which now gives the ability to find the fly.

    Kapeesh?
    Last edited by e caster; 02-16-2019 at 12:28 PM.

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    Default Re: NRX vs. Sage One vs. NRX LP

    Quote Originally Posted by sweetandsalt View Post
    e c, Why do Competition casters tend toward deeper flexing rods for accuracy while so many of us go the opposite way for angling accuracy?

    And, saff, it is odd that in my hand the trout sized ONEs are among the liveliest rods I fish...with no overlining either. And very few rods posses the seamlessness of taper transitions embodied in NRX.
    A big one is feel. It's funny S&S, you often refer to your preferred rods as communicative, but I think accuracy specialists see a softer rod as better able to "communicate" what the line is doing. Having more feel makes it easier to repeat your cast. I guess the difference may be that you are communicating to the line, and for these casters they want the line communicating to them.

    Another reason is fatigue. In my first accuracy competition, I was shocked at how tired my hand got while hovering the fly. I had been casting a lot! I was shocked how tired my hand got, and I wasn't even casting that stiff of a rod (H2 mid-flex 905).

    Speed is also very important. A stiffer rod (relative to the line weight) needs to be cast faster--especially for the short casts to the nearest rings in a competition. A softer rod can be cast more slowly, and that's beneficial for accuracy. This is the same reason that overlining for faster shots up close is 100% wrong. Paul Arden has been pretty adamant about this over on Sexyloops (he has spent a lot of time trying to make casts as fast as possible for snakehead), and it makes a lot of sense. Overloading a rod is essentially making the rod softer. It gives you more feel, but it slows you down.

    Here's a quote from Chris Korich (one of the best casters and casting coaches in the world) on the topic: "More TIME to FEEL direction and adjust your stroke according, usually leads to more consistent ACCURACY on your final presentation cast."

    The big difference between most of the accuracy games and real fishing situations is in hovering the fly. Generally, when you're fishing, you want to limit false casts as much as possible. It's almost the opposite in accuracy games--you want to wait until you can make the perfect cast.
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