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Thread: A Very Timely Test & Review of Grip Studs

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike63 View Post
    I would have to say that buying Star Cleats for my Simms boots has been about the best investment I have made in this sport. I can now wade with much more confidence and will always use a cleat of some kind regardless of the brand of boot.
    I had those in my boots but didn't use all of them like pictured on simms website. I split them up for me and my son in law and they wore down pretty fast I thought. Regardless I won't buy them again because of finding the above "studs". The star bite cleats are a good product but I think way overpriced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcw355 View Post
    Regardless I won't buy them again because of finding the above "studs". The star bite cleats are a good product but I think way overpriced.
    That was my take too. For what you paid, you got what?
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    Interesting discussion. In addition to being a fly fisherman I ride dirt bikes. The Grip Studs are just like those used by dirt bike riders to create their own winter tires. Long studs for racing on frozen lakes and shorter ones for more general winter riding conditions. A couple of tires will require hundreds of these studs as they are screwed into most of the knobbies on the tires. My understanding is that performance is amazing but very expensive. As one person pointed out the Kold Kutter screws are a less expensive alternative. Cheaper than even these I would imagine are simple hex headed screws. Nice to see the cross-over application.

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    The kold kutter screws are hex headed but with some pretty good "biting" edges. After using them awhile they wear down quicker than I thought they would. For the price and the quantity you get I still think they are worth buying over the simms cleats. Rocks are tougher than ice so they would wear down quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishi View Post
    Interesting discussion. In addition to being a fly fisherman I ride dirt bikes. The Grip Studs are just like those used by dirt bike riders to create their own winter tires. Long studs for racing on frozen lakes and shorter ones for more general winter riding conditions. A couple of tires will require hundreds of these studs as they are screwed into most of the knobbies on the tires. My understanding is that performance is amazing but very expensive. As one person pointed out the Kold Kutter screws are a less expensive alternative. Cheaper than even these I would imagine are simple hex headed screws. Nice to see the cross-over application.
    I have been using those "simple hex headed screws" for years now. They work just fine for me. I buy them at the big box hardware store for dirt cheap. I use a cordless power drill to install them, and carry a quarter inch nut driver in the truck in case one needs to be replaced.
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    For a long term update, I've had both long and short Grip Studs for over four years. My original short studs have worn but believe it or not still have satisfactory grip. I've have lost some of the longer studs. I have used them on Cabelas lug sole boots and on my current Simms Rivertek (3 yrs old). The Simms need more pressure to insert. I have had problems getting studs to purchase but have found that the thread was bent. This was due age of the studs and Idue remove and reinsert depending on seasons. These are great for gripping in ice. snow, rocks. The insertion tool is great!

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    I've just started thinking about installing studs on a new pair of boots and came across Kold Kutter ice studs for bike tires that a less than $10 for fifty. I think I could install these using gorilla glue for added security. Is this crazy and am I being just too cheap?

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    There are many people using the ice studs that you are talking about. It's always nice to go with more affordable things especially when we're talking about something like screws for the soles of the boots.

    I can tell you about the past few years of my own experience; when I tested the Grip Studs and the Simms Start Cleats it seemed that the Grip Studs may have had a little more grip. I attribute that to the fact that they protruded from the boot sole with a higher profile thus the bite. There was however a problem with that, I lost more Grip Studs off the boot which had them than I did the Star Cleats. I still have those same boots and there are only 3 of the Grip Studs left vs. 7 of the Star Cleats.............

    I also had purchased a new pair of Simms boots and decided to try the Simms brand of hard bite screws. These seemed pretty good but I lost over half of them within the first 2 months of use.

    It is my belief that regardless of what you pay, the higher profile studs will come out quicker. I have not used the glue when installing them and that may help but if they are sticking out from the bottom very far I think they will become lose and be torn out during use. The big problem with losing a stud is not what that particular stud cost you but that you can't put one back in the same spot. Most boots have limited area where these things can be screwed into the sole without being placed right on top the tread of the boot sole. This is the reason that losing them is such a problem. The very first rubber sole cleated boot I had was sold by Orvis in the Hennery's Fork boot. This boot actually had threaded sleeves incorporated into the boot sole that the disc shaped cleats screwed into. The system was great, they stuck out far enough to give exceptional bite but after 2 or 3 years some of the sleeves became loose. Eventually there were few cleats left....... I think they went 4 years.

    It may seem just the opposite of what we would think but having the studs protrude much more than about .5mm seems to be counterproductive. When they are sticking out 1mm or more we feel greater bite and believe they are better that way but they get torn out easier. I guess I'm saying that if you want the studs to stay in try to place them so that they are not sticking from the sole of your boot much higher than the rubber lugs or pattern on the boot.

    Next new pair of boots I'm going to bite the bullet and put ten of the Simms Hardbite Star cleats on each boot. It will be expensive but I think they will last as long as the boot itself.

    Final Assessment: While we can easily come to believe that having studded soles should be a simple thing (which it is in fact) the real challenge is longevity. Unlike a tire which is rotating on a wheel our feet are constantly kicking - sliding - wiggling - scuffing and stomping on rocks and gravel. Because of this contact with various surfaces and all the torque being applied from all directions our studs come lose leaving a hole where we can't screw in a replacement. Because of this we need to find the type of cleat which is least likely to come out of the boot sole. I have mentioned above what I will do with the next pair.

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    I've never had an ice screw pull out of the sole of my boot. They do wear down quick is my only complaint but that is to be expected walking on a lot of rocks.
    Okiemountaineer

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    I'll bet the studs tested are great.

    I'm 67 [read: not as steady as I used to be] and I fish freestone rivers that can be pretty slippery. [No felt allowed in VT.] So I bought a pair of Korkers Casttrax - the strap-on sole with spikes. After a season of using them, I felt safer, but they weren't really convenient to slip on & off at every stop, AND they were clumsy at times in & out of the river. So I looked for another solution.

    After considering the made-for-fishing studs, I read (I think on this forum) about the Kold Kutter bike studs. I bought a package (100-200?) for very little cash. Before installing I made sure they wouldn't poke thru the foot side of my Bean wading boots. I got a hex bit and put about 16 in each boot. For me it was a good solution. It isn't perfect and I lose at least one on almost every outing, but for pennies, I just keep replacing them - sometimes in the same holes. I understand that eventually that will stop working, but by then it'll be time for new boots anyhow. Or maybe new knees. I can also drive with them in.

    If I'm in & out of a canoe on a river, I'll lay down a piece of carpet remnant to save the floor. I happen to have another pair of boots for odd times when I know I'll be in a guide's boat, etc. Works for me.

    Once again - that's my 2 pennies, and worth every cent you paid.

    VTD

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