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    Default What may be coming down the pike

    The nutcases in Switzerland are accomplishing what Peta has in mind for all of us.

    Here's the first paragraph of an article in a British newspaper.

    When Patrick Giger, a 34-year-old angler from the Swiss village of Horgen, cast his baited line into Lake Zurich's storm-swollen waters on an icy February morning last year, he could not have forecast the trouble he would end up reeling in alongside the 22lb pike which was soon to snare itself on his hook. The day ended with the monster fish being devoured by Giger and his friends at a local restaurant, but just a few months later Giger would face, on the instructions of the state prosecutor for the canton of Zurich, criminal prosecution for causing excessive suffering to the animal after boasting to a local newspaper that he had spent around 10 minutes, and exerted considerable physical effort, landing the fish.
    The whole article below.

    Antoine Goetschel, the lawyer who defends animals | World news | The Guardian

    The only thing I can think of is that the Chinese are putting something into their tofu that's causing brain warts.

    Cheers,
    Jim

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    Wow! What is the world coming to, that is unbelievable?

    Larry

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    In some places in Switzerland, you cannot catch and release, you have to quickly kill everything you catch because of the trauma of being stuck with a hook and exercising vigorously until landed.

    Good thing they don't do that to kids that have to go to the Dr. to get a shot and have a 1 1/2" needle jabbed in their butts.

    Well, at least that lawyer admits he's a pig lawyer.

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    It's a trend that has gone on in this country for some time. As I said some months back, we have one of them in the current administration. What I said before doesn't seem so far fetched now does it? All we have to do is let this keep gaining ground here, and viola! We are setting in court with a fish as a complaintant.

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    It's certainly a bizarre argument. I don't know what percent of the Swiss
    go fishing, but if this sort of thing gains traction in their legal system, I would
    assume it's very low. When I was in college, a girl had spent a
    semester in the Philippines. We were at the student center, and this girl was
    talking about how the men in a particular region would gather around 4pm,
    hunt down a dog, and then eat it. Most of the other students gathered were
    horrified at this, even after the girl tried to explain that it was a traditional
    male bonding sort of thing in that area. If the Swiss want to elevate fish to
    citizens, c'est la vie. That's one of the reasons the USA is not a member of
    the World Court.

    I do recognize the need to protect certain non-human life forms, but man began fishing and hunting before written history. It's in our nature, and explains the excitement and satisfaction even a child experiences when catching a fish. Lawyers enjoy playing advocate, and the lawyer in this case
    states that he is excited about the challenge. He also expresses doubt that
    the Swiss would be willing to appoint an attorney to represent a fish. No doubt his own human instincts play a part in that doubt.

    Now if that Planet of the Apes stuff comes true, we need to stand together
    against those damned dirty apes.

    P.S. Gun laws are being eased around the country in reaction to the perceived threat from the Obama administration. Gun sales are through the roof, and
    CCW permits are way up. That's the beauty of America....

    EDIT: Goetschel lost the case against the fisherman, and the Wall Street Journal's story has a different take than
    the Guardian's: CLICK HERE

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    Good article Frank. I'm glad to see the lawyer lost. The fisherman needs to file a wrongful prosecution suit now. Does he a have a legal fund set up? They need to nip this nonsense in the bud and make that lawyer feel like he was the one they ate.

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    Currently in America there are criminal charges (as most know) for cruelty to animals. I'm pretty sure that they have to be domesticated though otherwise I'm not sure how the law and hunting/fishing could coincide. There is no civil cause of actions for the animal themselves. However, an owner of an animal (again this would only apply to domestic animals) can file a claim for his (the owner's) pain and suffering due to his pet being harmed. I don't see how this could be expanded to wild animals such as fish but I bet you big money that some ******* lawyer out there has tried to do it. I'm sure PETA has cousel that takes up cases like this all the time.

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    There are laws on the book about animal cruelty, they mention pictures and films of this type activity; animal rights groups are looking to have these apply to hunting and fishing videos as well as pics in magazines. People here need to realize the as sportsmen and women; whether we hunt, fish, or trap, we have a rather large bullseye on all of our backs.

    Dan

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    I'm curious now. I'll look into it more and report back.

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    Just in case folks don't see the Wall Street Journal link in my first post: The referendum would force each Swiss canton to hire a public advocate for animals. Currently, Zurich is the only canton that has such an office (first started in 1992). The referendum was put on the ballot by an animal rights group, and the Swiss government does not support it. The reasoning is that if a defendant can hire an attorney, the animal should be able to have someone speak for it. The gov't already represents the interest of animals (just like they do here), but referendum supporters say that they need an advocate dedicated to animals only. There are no plans to end fishing, and the angler won that case.

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