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    Default Re: Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    I carry two Xs that are 6wt 11ft. One has a Skagit line, the other a Rio switch line, 2 lines up.
    They allow me to fish a dry, high stick nymphing, or bobber with a lot of weight, as well as swing it!.
    Most everyone I introduce to these sticks, they soon go find their own.
    It is a little heavy for those who don't fish enough to be in shape for a big stick. Check out the 5wt in that case, it's a bit lighter.

    If you tend to raise your elbow when casting you will pay a price (because you are waving the rod, not loading it)........but if you get your cast on, you can cover more water in more ways than any other rod I fish, and much easier too.
    I always say, I have no idea how I got along without one all these years.
    For our water, when I take a customer's 9ft rod for a drive, I find an instant urge to switch!

    I have been in lust with my ESN 3wt 11ft (Discontinued) for dry fly fishing too....if you decide to go that way.
    Ran into a young guy who noticed I had the ESN. He proudly showed me his new 10'6" and said he loved it....then he noticed I had a dry tied on mine. I let him test drive it, and he threw a tight looped 70ft cast with ease, and blew his own mind.
    Never take my word for anything!!
    Don't be afraid to try new stuff.....fishing out of habit is not how we grow.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's not marketing..........I have used the ESN for a few years to high stick, I have the 9'9" sage dedicated nymphing rod, as well as Method streamer rod, a bunch of prime dry fly rods, several micro spey, full spey, and switch sticks. They are ALL different sticks for different tasks....There are fast and slow models in almost all the rod sizes and uses. Find the one you like and go get'em.

    Had a couple guys out the other day, who had taken my advice and bought two 4wt 11ft Echo euro rods.(A hundred bucks each he said...)
    He had a 4wt line on them and I cast it for a while....asked him if he had another line, and so we put a 6wt line on....it worked great. I kinda rocked their world when I used a two handed snap-T cast on a Nymphing stick, with a dry fly.
    Many ways to do this magic thing we do......

    Jim
    Last edited by Bigfly; 11-08-2018 at 01:06 PM.

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    Default Re: Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfly View Post

    I carry two Xs that are 6wt 11ft. One has a Skagit line, the other a Rio switch line, 2 lines up.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's not marketing..
    Bigfly, and yours are both Switch rods right? The X-Switch 6110-4?

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    Default Re: Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    Quote Originally Posted by el jefe View Post
    I would love to hear from anyone who uses their trout spey to Euro nymph. I know the action between a typical Euro nymph (or tight line) rod and trout spey is supposedly different, but I'm not terribly fond of the Euro nymph action to do Euro nymph techniques. I wonder if trout spey rods can be used to tight line. Anyone?
    Ive tried to use my trout spey to euro nymph but I did not like it at all. The extra length is great, but I found the lower handle of the rod would catch fly line too often and hinder casting and stripping. Also, the rod I built was made to be fished using spey style casts, so this blank was definitely a more moderate action rod to fulfill that purpose, and as a result was a little slower at tightening up on subtle strikes. I think if you plan on euro nymphing keep the rod singlehanded and fast action. A rod designed to spey cast won't be a great nymphing rod, and a euro nymphing rod wouldn't be your best bet for spey casting. Sure you could do it, but ideally you would have two different rods.
    Danny

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    Default Re: Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    Quote Originally Posted by proheli View Post
    Bigfly, and yours are both Switch rods right? The X-Switch 6110-4?
    Yes, I love my 6110....too bad they stopped selling the 11ftr....why do they always discontinue the good ones....

    Jim

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    Default Re: Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    Quote Originally Posted by huronfly View Post
    Ive tried to use my trout spey to euro nymph but I did not like it at all. The extra length is great, but I found the lower handle of the rod would catch fly line too often and hinder casting and stripping. Also, the rod I built was made to be fished using spey style casts, so this blank was definitely a more moderate action rod to fulfill that purpose, and as a result was a little slower at tightening up on subtle strikes. I think if you plan on euro nymphing keep the rod singlehanded and fast action. A rod designed to spey cast won't be a great nymphing rod, and a euro nymphing rod wouldn't be your best bet for spey casting. Sure you could do it, but ideally you would have two different rods.
    Without actually experiencing it, it would seem like the trout spey, with its extended handle, would be convenient for Euro nymphing, bracing the rod against your forearm. But real world experience is the best guide.

    And then there's this, using a Euro nymph rod to spey cast. The rod in use is a Redington Hydrogen 3100, Redington's Euro nymph offering.


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    Default Re: Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    I have to say at one point I wondered if the ESN and One Trout Spey are the same blank ...I don't think this is the case or I at least want to believe that as I paid some good coin for them

    That being said I have not had the time to run to the river with both but couldn't wait so I took the ESN 3110 out in the yard just now with a SA Scandi Lite 270 grain which is for my IMX 41111 and I would say if you own a ESN nymph rod you also own a Sage ESN Single Hand Trout Spey. My guess would be the 250 grain Rio Scandi would be a little better but I had no problem throwing nice loops with plenty of power to carry a bead head bugger out to 60'. The battery is dead on my mic so maybe tomorrow I can see how they compare. Oh, those were "spey cast" ..snap T ...snake roll.

    If I had to go out on a limb I would say they have more in common than difference .....If I knew I would have bought one or the other and asked for a second handle ...2 hand and lower .. but I want to see how it goes on the river before I start thinking I paid 600 bucks for 6" of cork

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