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    Default Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    Can I get an answer as to what exactly is the difference between a 10' Nymph rod and a 10' Switch , spey ,trout spey micro spey rod. Good Lord the list goes on and on .

    And what action is preferred on them as a whole ? TIA
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    One is 10' the other is 120"


    Curious myself. I'm guessing it's flex and taper.

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    Marketing. The presence of a larger lower handle distinguishing a 2 hand rod in my eyes. You go to the UK and ask for a switch rod and you will get strange looks.

    I would say as far as actions..... that a medium action rod would be preferred for say a beginner. Two hand casting is a different set of motions and slower than a traditional single hand casting. Timing is easier with a softer rod.

    As you advance and get timing down.... you might want to go with a faster action.

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    Default Re: Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    In a nutshell...

    A nymphing rod has a single handed handle. It also has a rather stiff action with a soft tip, designed more to lob weighted nymphs a short distance and then be held high to keep a tight line.

    Trout speys have a soft, full flexing action with a long upper and lower handle. They're designed to cast with water anchored casts, not overhead.

    Micro speys are basically single handed rods, usually 9 feet or less, outfitted with a standard single handed upper grip and a bottom grip.

    Switch rods bridge the gap. They're stiffer than a spey, but slower than a single hander so they can be cast either overhead (although few do) or with water anchored casts. A switch handle also lies in between, longer than a micro, but shorter than a spey.

    The terms switch, micro, and trout spey are thrown around pretty loosely, though, and it can be hard to tell what's what just by what someone calls it. I'd worry less about labels and find a rod designed to do what you want it to do.

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    Default Re: Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    No idea on the nymph rod. My two cents on the others. I agree with flytie, most of it is marketing. The term switch rod was coined by Bob Meiser, you can read about it here: MEIZ
    He developed switch rods as two-handed overhand casting rods as an alternative to double hauling single hand rods all day. As explained in the link, people figured out you could also do anchored casts (spey casts) so you could "switch" between two-handed overhead and more traditional anchored spey casts. Years ago I thought it meant switching between single-hand and two-hand casts and said so in a room of very accomplished two-hand casters from my home waters in the Pacific Northwest, and was quickly corrected and directed to the link! I bought a 11'4" 4wt two-handed rod from Burkheimer a few years ago, and Kerry Burkheimer emphasized it was a spey rod, and not a switch rod, meaning it was for anchored casts, not two-handed overhead. I know that some brands now market switch as single- or two-hand, but that is more recent. I've also seen other attempts to distinguish switch from traditional. Think about it as a marketing tool. "I am curious about two-handed casting, but am afraid I (will not like it, will not learn how to do it, etc), so I can buy a "switch" rod that I can still cast single handed."

    Micro- and trout-spey are marketing terms. I think micro was first used by Winston, but am not sure. It is just line weight. Anyway, that is my two cents.

    Action is an entirely different thread and is completely personal preference! There can be big differences between Meiser, Anderson, Burkheimer, Bruce&Walker, Gaelforce, etc, but each of them make incredible rods that are a joy to cast. Meiser and Anderson have both been making two-handed rods in weights appropriate for trout for years, and both have outstanding reputations for their rods and service.

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    Default Re: Nymph vs Switch vs Micro spey, trout spey etc

    I would love to hear from anyone who uses their trout spey to Euro nymph. I know the action between a typical Euro nymph (or tight line) rod and trout spey is supposedly different, but I'm not terribly fond of the Euro nymph action to do Euro nymph techniques. I wonder if trout spey rods can be used to tight line. Anyone?

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    Interesting thoughts and question you guys are on. I have a ONE 3110 & a ESN 3110. I'll take them out and swap reels around and see how it goes. It might be a while before I have a chance, the local rivers are flowing 3 or 4 time above normal and I'm up to my wazoo with work. Maybe I'll run a mic down the blank and see how they compare but don't expect anything to scientific out of me.

    If your hunch is right and the trout spey cn pull dual duty I'll have an ESN up for sale

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    I built a 10 foot 3 weight and an 11 foot 4 weight and nymphed with both. The 3 weight was a noodle and not a good nympher, but the 4 weight was a much higher modulus blank and it is an awesome nymphing rod. I haven't tight lined with it much, my local rivers favor long casts and indicators, but when I did it worked well. It's nice to be able to drift a nymph through pocket water at your feet, and be able to effortlessly cover that seam 60 feet away that you can't wade to with the same rod.

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    I just remembered this too.....I know a couple guys that are big time into the euro nymph thing and they are good at it too. They use a 7 wt switch rod when steelheading but they don't swing like I do with the 2 hander, they euro nymph with it..I'm pretty sure they are now using the new T&T Contact #6 that was designed as a "steelhead" nymphing rod at 10' 4".

    I hope the rain stops soon, you guys really got me curious about this question.

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    I called Sage about two weeks ago and went over the difference between their Spey and Switch rods, because I am interested in a two hander to help take the stress off of my right rotator cuff. For throwing bigger streamers, but also for some inshore sight fishing here in the Tampa Bay, because apparently you can single hand the switch rods, just not all day long. We were talking just about the Xs as it comes in Switch and Spey, and the new Igniter in TH only comes in Spey.

    So then, essentially the Switch rod has the same taper philosophy as the single hand Xs. With its length, like the 5110, 5wt 11’0”, or 6110, 6wt 11’0”, It’s long and strong enough to keep the head in the water and Spey cast, but for all the other stuff you can overhand cast too, yes you might lose some accuracy, but the X is the X and you can easily single hand it, just not all day. You can watch a guy on YouTube single hand the X Switch and it’s really nifty.

    So, the Spey rods. Simply, longer and deeper flexing down into the strength of the blank, the middle of the blank, the Spey rod to can generate maximum power, and do the awesome things Spey rods do. The Sage Speys are basically 12’6-15’

    So the Spey is deeper and a little softer flexing. I think he said more medium flex on the Spey, but because of that Spey is only good for Spey casting and not overhand.

    This is just from Sage, I don’t know if the other manufacturers parallel this philosophy.

    Micro Spey and Trout Spey were just the smaller sizes 2-5wts or whatever, but still Spey philosophy on the blank. Deeper flexing to really get into the power of the blank as you drag the line through the water.
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