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  1. Default Re: Maxima Ultragreen vs Rio, etc Tippet

    Quote Originally Posted by old timer View Post
    Suppleness isn't affected by casting. As long as you can cast. Suppleness does affect a drag free drift. Supple is good for dries.
    Thanks for a non condescending response!! Cool!

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    Default Re: Maxima Ultragreen vs Rio, etc Tippet

    Quote Originally Posted by gray rider View Post
    Some attitudes never change.
    Meaning?, please expand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gray rider View Post
    Attitudes, smh.
    No attitude, just facts. The overwhelming majority of problems encountered by fly anglers are the result of improper casting mechanics. Many anglers would rather believe that the fault lies outside themselves. Hence, the perpetual search for gear-solutions to problems that originate in bad casting. The reality is that almost every complaint I've ever heard about tippet materials—poor turnover, piling up on the water at the end of a cast, straightening out too fast and introducing drag into the drift, tangling issues—is a problem that has its root in poor casting technique. There are a handful of super specialized techniques (deep water chironomid fishing in lakes, for instance) where tippet material can be a real game changer, but for most applications, tippet is tippet, and any appropriately sized stuff is gonna be fine unless operator error intervenes.
    Last edited by dylar; 05-16-2019 at 07:47 AM.

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    dylar..........There is truth to what you say. However, some leader setups do turn over better than others. As an extreme look at George Harvey's leader formula. It's designed to pile up to give slack for a better no drag drift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old timer View Post
    dylar..........There is truth to what you say. However, some leader setups do turn over better than others. As an extreme look at George Harvey's leader formula. It's designed to pile up to give slack for a better no drag drift.
    True but you can also introduce slack by overcasting and checking the forward cast as it straightens.

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    No disrespect intended but a leader design or "pile cast" method is an arbitrary way to introduce current defying slack. Full articulated Control of line and leader allowing you to intentionally dial in horizontal curves where you wan them to be is a perquisite for skilled dry fly presentation. This is not an attitude, it is the carefully formulated methodology of an angler who has been an ardent student of these methods for over half a century.
    Last edited by sweetandsalt; 05-16-2019 at 10:19 AM.

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    Default Re: Maxima Ultragreen vs Rio, etc Tippet

    Hand Tying Fly Leaders | Fish Swami

    Above is a link to an informative article on leader construction. It includes suggestions for different types of leader and tippet materials including maxima and others mentioned in this discussion. There is also discussion of the advantages of leader building vs. store bought tapered leader in terms of the all important transfer of energy issue.

    Personally, I have always employed maxima for my steelhead leaders. It is a NW tradition and I will never change. Nor, no matter what anyone says, would I ever use flourocarbon for steelhead on a wet fly swing. Although, I do like it for Stillwater presentation when the water is clear. I also hear it's good for river nymph fishing...

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    I know how to do a pile cast. I was talking about leader design and how it can affect the cast.

    Funny how some think they know more about casting than anybody else. It's not rocket science and it's not that hard. I was a golf pro attempting to get on the tour. A golf swing that good is hard. Casting is easy.

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    "Personally, I have always employed maxima for my steelhead leaders. It is a NW tradition and I will never change. Nor, no matter what anyone says, would I ever use fluorocarbon for steelhead on a wet fly swing." Dillon

    Maxima is an Atlantic salmon angling tradition too. I have not experimented with Fluoro swinging flies but I do know there are better modern Nylon formulations than Maxima in diameter/strength/knot integrity ratios and properties (medium stiff).

    https://www.rioproducts.com/products...-salmon-tippet

    Leader design and presentation techniques are to a degree separate from casting. Casting is surely required to get the line, leader and fly assembly where you want them to be but controlling the fly on the water is a separate skill set.

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    Gray rider,

    The Answer is NO...Max isn't yesterdays news. Did you know that on the West coast and the Pacific NW more Steelhead and Salmon were landed on 8 and 10 pound Max then all others combined? There have also been a few Million Striper's landed.

    Now if a fellow would walk into a fly shop in today's World and ask what leader or leader material I am sure they would escort you over to the tapered leader department and try and sell you a high dollar leader system. I have never used a tapered leader in my life for Salmon-Steehead-shad or even trout for that matter...My 2 cents but remember I am "old school" LOL CB

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