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    Default Wire size question

    I just got Charlie Craven's 'Basic Fly Tying.' Excellent book! I'm getting my grocery list ready for the first 3 patterns: Brassie, Black Beauty & RS2.

    In the material list for the Brassie the hook sizes are #14-24. The body is 'Copper Ultra Wire (#22-26, small;#18-20, Brassie; #14-16, medium).'

    Here's my question; does the size of the copper wire correspond with the size of the hook (e.i. the #14 wire wraps the #14 hook)?
    Kevin

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    Default Re: Wire size question

    You could use small or medium on the 14's. 16's and under I prefer the XS wire. Go to your local michaels store. Wire is cheaper there. There was a thread around here awhile ago comparing the sizes.

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    Default Re: Wire size question

    No, the number on the wire does not correspond to what you should use on any particular hook size.

    What it really depends on is the look that you want on the fly.

    If you want the segmentation that comes from wrapping with wire to be subtle; so that there's an indent in the body material, but not a clear metal band, then use a finer wire. If you want the wire to show clearly against the body, then use a larger wire.

    On the other hand, if you want a striped pattern; where the width of the "wire" is almost equal to that of the body material, then use a flat tinsel instead of a wire.

    Pocono

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    Default Re: Wire size question

    Quote Originally Posted by smoky_hiker View Post
    In the material list for the Brassie the hook sizes are #14-24. The body is 'Copper Ultra Wire (#22-26, small;#18-20, Brassie; #14-16, medium).'

    Here's my question; does the size of the copper wire correspond with the size of the hook (e.i. the #14 wire wraps the #14 hook)?
    Hi Kevin,

    "small", "brassie", and "medium" are the wire sizes . Those instructions mean that you use the small for the size 22 through 26 hooks, size brassie wire for the size 18 through 20 hooks, etc.

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    Default Re: Wire size question

    Ooh, sorry, but brassie size is much too big for 18's and 20's. I tie a lot with wire, and I use x-small for 18-20, small for 18-14, and brassie for 14-12. As you can see, some overlap for the very reasons mentioned above regarding the finished look you want.

    Kelly.
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    Default Re: Wire size question

    Quote Originally Posted by lancer09 View Post
    There was a thread around here awhile ago comparing the sizes.
    I posted that information in the thread I think you are referring to...I'll look for it and post a link here if I can find it.

    Okay I found it... Follow this link to a thread I started and scroll down the page a little
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    Default Re: Wire size question

    Copper wire ??

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    Default Re: Wire size question

    Quote Originally Posted by lancer09 View Post
    Go to your local michaels store. Wire is cheaper there.
    I went there today; at this Michaels store the wire I found was actually more expensive than online venders; however, if you factor in the shipping it is cheaper at Michaels. It is probably regionally priced. Thanks for the tip though

    I went to Craven's website, I will probably be buying my supplies from him. He carries everything I need and from what I researched he has flat rate shipping.

    What other online vendors has any one had good experiences with?
    Kevin

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoky_hiker View Post
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