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    Default Whip finisher destroying my thread.

    I have been having an issue when tying with 70 denier thread with my whip finisher fraying the thread out to the point that it breaks before I can get the know tightened up. I don't seem to have much of an issue with my 140 threads. I can't see any burs or any particular reason why it would be doing this. Does anyone else have ideas, or the same issue? There is nothing more frustrating than tying a nice fly to be proud of, and then having the last step screw it up.

    Honestly at this point I would be willing to spend $20 on a tool that doesn't do this. I would like to find a ceramic coated one, but can't seem to find one. The one I am using now is the Terra standard brass whip finisher.
    Awkward Sportsman

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    Hi,

    I've never had such a problem, how many twists do you put on your whip knots? I tie everything with Uni or Orvis 6/0 and 8/0 thread, is yours thinner than that?

    My only advice would be to finish by hand. It is not as difficult as you may think, however I do prefer a tool for most tying.

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    Default Re: Whip finisher destroying my thread.

    I use the cheapest and simplest whip finisher on the market. Made by Sunrise and sells for under 5 dollars. Been using them for close to 40 years. I'm on my second one now. Never had a problem.

    I've never had a problem with my cheap bobbins either.

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    The only time I have issues breaking thread on a whip finish is when I wrap it more than 3 or 4 times before tightening. I usually only go 3 or less, normally 2 and do a couple if I want it to be extra secure.

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    3-4 half hitches, head cement and i'm off fishing. knots dont come undone.

    never could get used to a whip finish tool or even by hand

    tyers preference
    Poor quality materials and tools are destined to discourage beginner tiers and cause greater expense when the time comes to replace them.

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    Yep; new tyer here and have had the same problem with small threads trying to do the 5 turns; try 3 or 4 as suggested.
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    Sounds like these guys have you set. Do 2-3 turns and add some SHHAN.

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    I have been using this ancient artifact since 1974 and have never had a problem with the tool fraying or breaking the thread ( down to Tiemco 16/0 )...



    ...however, operator error on a number of occasions, has caused thread breakage...


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    Default Re: Whip finisher destroying my thread.

    70 denier polyester thread breaks at 13 -15 oz tension. I think your whip finisher may be scored. You can also change to a bonded thread that is less likely to fray like Uni 8/0 that is a bonded 72 denier polyester threat that breaks at 15 oz.

    I would toss the cheap whip finisher and:

    1. Get a Matarelli style whip finisher.

    4. I use 5 turns. If you use 2/3 turns, place them back to back.
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    Default Re: Whip finisher destroying my thread.

    I like the materelli style myself. I used the older style for many many years and did not have any problems, but the materelli style is just easier and I think less likely to bust thread. I generally do 4 or 5 wraps, but do it twice unless it's a tiny tiny fly. In that case I only do 3 or so and still do it twice.

    Step 2 and 3 are classified.

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