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    Default Why Can't I Tie a Simple, Standard Tie Anymore?

    Sat down tonight with a very simple goal: 2 black woolly buggers and 2 black woolly buggers with small black dumbbells. Quick, easy and simple, right?

    End result is that I have a dozen flies hanging and none of the 4 I started out to tie. All woolly-bugger-esque, but none of them 'right'. Have olive bodies with black and brown tails and a black saddle rib. Have teased out black, wool yarn bodies, olive and black tails with purple saddle ribs. Have a couple multiple color buggers with a zonker strip back, a al the sparkle ghost bugger with the squirrel skin back.

    I know it is all just semi-standard color substitution stuff and that wooly bugger is a broad and vague term, but why can't I just tie the tried-n-true standard pattern - black marabou tail, black saddle rib counter wrapped with fine copper wire, black chenille all over a lead underbody?

    (Was really surprised to see how well the Dark olive, dark brown, dark purple and black all worked together.)

    I guess the question is: Does anyone else have this problem?
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    Default Re: Why Can't I Tie a Simple, Standard Tie Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by random user View Post
    why can't I just tie the tried-n-true standard pattern - black marabou tail, black saddle rib counter wrapped with fine copper wire, black chenille all over a lead underbody?
    only you can answer that question.

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    Does anyone else have this problem?
    no. when i sit down i know what i want to tie
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    Default Re: Why Can't I Tie a Simple, Standard Tie Anymore?

    Random, it's easy to get distracted with all the materials we have available, but like flytire said, it's not difficult to tie something specific if you know what you want to tie.

    I love experimenting & when I sit down, often don't know what I'll tie. But, when I have a pattern in mind, that's what I tie.

    Just lay out the necessary materials for buggers, and nothing else. Then tie only buggers. Discipline yourself man!

    Darn it man, don't make me come up there & flog you with a calftail!

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    Over-thinking a simple pattern?

    Any color combo on a Wooly Bugger will probably catch fish... day in and day out though, hard to beat the consistency of black and/or olive.
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    Default Re: Why Can't I Tie a Simple, Standard Tie Anymore?

    When I sit down to tie something specific, I like to knock them out as quickly as possible before I get distracted.
    If I get to 5-6 before going off on a 'tangent", I call that successful
    The simpler the outfit, the more skill it takes to manage it, and the more pleasure one gets in his achievements. --- Horace Kephart

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    Default Re: Why Can't I Tie a Simple, Standard Tie Anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip Tide View Post
    When I sit down to tie something specific, I like to knock them out as quickly as possible before I get distracted.
    If I get to 5-6 before going off on a 'tangent", I call that successful
    I wish I could be that successful!

    I'm always thinking of how to get more out of the fly, make it a little more natural / effective or how to get more blended/blurred subtle hues or colors into it to make it [edit] less [/edit] obvious that it is a forgery or make it move better in the water or something else along those lines.
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    Default Re: Why Can't I Tie a Simple, Standard Tie Anymore?

    Sounds to me as though your "problem" isn't so much of a problem and more along the lines of not sticking with what you intended to tie. Free-stylin is fun and a good thing. I've learned what does and does not work this way. Fortunately as has been mentioned, with buggers its nearly impossible to go wrong.
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    Default Re: Why Can't I Tie a Simple, Standard Tie Anymore?

    I'm always thinking of how to get more out of the fly, make it a little more natural / effective or how to get more blended/blurred subtle hues or colors into it to make it obvious that it is a forgery or make it move better in the water or something else along those lines.
    I think we all go thru phases in our tying where our desire to be creative or improve upon what's already been done gets the best of us. It's easy to want to tie & be creative & improve the flies you tie. But, it's difficult to reinvent the wheel. Perhaps you're bored. Or, perhaps you're materials selection is limited enough that you just want to make the most of your tying. That's human nature IMO.

    I've been going thru a mental block lately myself. I don't have a lot of desire to sit down & tie. I'm sitting here putting some finish on the heads of some flies I tied previous & never finished. I have more flies tied than I'll use, so have no real need to tie more. I've gone thru this before & always snap out of it. In the mean while, I'll browse the various websites I frequent & perhaps contribute something that will help someone else. This keeps my head in fishing & tying, and sometimes someone else will post a fly or even a lure that gets me inspired enough to want to tie again.

    Don't sweat it, do what makes you happy. Eventually, you'll come full circle & will have little problem tying anything, even established & perhaps boring patterns. Sounds like you may just be bored or going thru one of those phases.

    Frankly, as far as buggers go, I much prefer those tied with estaz in the body & flashabou in them to the basic bugger, so I don't tie a lot of them either.
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    The more I tie of one pattern the better they get! If I haven't done one in a while or it's new to me the first 2 are usually lousey! Then as I progress they become better and better with repitition! So for me basically if I need 10 I usually tie twelve and throw 2 on the recycle pile! For me it's like batting practice once I'm in the groove I'm hammering it!
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    X2 with estaz. I also tie in hair at eye on belly to make it flip over and come in hook side up to prevent hangups.


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