tying catskill type flies

[flytire]

please understand that tying catskill type flies is not for everybody on this forum, here are a few videos for those that are interested

if you dont like the music, turn it off

there are no on-screen flashes of the material being used or tied on

watch the tying techniques and proportions being shown

use the "show more" button to reveal the pattern recipes

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no affiliation with the tyer in the video and it is NOT ME!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKC1z0GRFFU[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug8BzAKHaSA&list=PLpe-2EVq_iFoQZQmHCzASFe0J40GpiOmR&index=16[/ame]


happy watching

 

[itchmesir]

Very nicely done

 

[moucheur2003]

The body color on that Ausable Wulff is too dark and too saturated. I tie my Ausable Wulffs with natural reddish tan Australian opossum, not dyed. I get an orange cast from dubbing it sparsely over the hot orange thread, but it is more subtle. I have watched Fran Betters tie them and that is how he did it.

Maybe I am being overly pedantic, but when I think of "Catskill style" I think of sparse hackles, slim bodies, and quill-slip wings. The heavily hackled, burly, hairwing Wulff patterns are not the classic Catskill style; the earliest ones were developed by Lee Wulff and Dan Bailey for the rougher water of the Ausable River in the Adirondacks. (The granddaddy of the series, the Grey Wulff, was originally called the "Ausable Grey".)

 

[flytire]

there are 4 "wulff" patterns on that youtube channel and none of them are identified as "catskill style"

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYUC6AYr02Q[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K99gK5RNac[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZAC8Rl3X98&list=PLpe-2EVq_iFoQZQmHCzASFe0J40GpiOmR&index=23[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dTD0wQ5YFY&list=PLpe-2EVq_iFoQZQmHCzASFe0J40GpiOmR&index=45[/ame]

if you only viewed the 2 videos in the initial post you missed 53 other patterns

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqsxRKP0CWNhqn9P9BRYCMQ

https://www.google.com/search?q=cat...ved=0ahUKEwiLsu2lnqfQAhWm24MKHbpcCw0Q_AUIBygC

http://www.overmywaders.com/index.php?quack

please show us how they are supposed to be tied

 

[itchmesir]

Labeling a thread "tying Catskill type flies" then posting a video to a wulff pattern is slightly misleading though, don't you think?

 

[JoJer]

I learned here:

DT is also good for substitution suggestions.

 

[moucheur2003]

please show us how they are supposed to be tied

I found this video of Fran himself tying one. Here he describes the Australian possum as "bleached out" but then he corrects himself because the piece he picks up is in fact dyed (in contrast to what I said up above). When I watched him tie he used a piece of opossum that was a natural reddish-tan, though, so I have been tying them that way. I have also seen pieces of bleached Australian opossum with colors ranging from cream to reddish tan, with the darker bits pretty similar to what I saw him tie. I guess he wasn't too picky about maintaining a consistent color as long as it was an orangey brown or tan.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B89K0SgTdhE[/ame]

 

[flytire]

so umberto tied his fly with the "Australian opossum dyed rusty orange" that is a different shade than fran betters used. does that make umbertos fly any less than an "ausable wulff"?

will every batch of Australian opossum dyed rusty orange going to be the EXACT shade that fran betters used umpteen years ago?

DRESSING:
HOOK: GAMAKATSU F11B #12
THREAD: HOT ORANGE
TAIL: GUARD HAIR FROM WOODCHUCK
BODY: AUSTRALIAN OPOSSUM DYED RUSTY ORANGE
WING: WHITE CALF TAIL
HACKLE: GRIZZLY AND BROWN

ausable wulff removed from my original post above and replaced with a quill gordon to eliminate mass hysteria and confusion and to be geographically correct

 

[moucheur2003]

I didn't mean to pick a fight with you, Norm, honestly. I only wanted to point out (somewhat pedantically, as I admitted) that the classic Catskill style typically features sparse hackles and feather wings, and that the the Ausable Wulff in that video is darker and richer in color than most other Ausable Wulffs I have seen (including Fran Betters's own). As with most things in fly tying, your mileage may vary.

I meant nothing personal. I admire your own meticulous work and always look forward to seeing your new photos on the "What have you been tying today?" page!

ausable wulff removed from my original post above and replaced with a quill gordon to eliminate mass hysteria and confusion and to be geographically correct

And by the way, that one is exquisite!

 

[flytire]

next time (if there is one) i'll have to chose the title of the thread to be more generic

something like "guy ties flies"

 

[Rip Tide]

David Brandt tied at our club a few years back and his Catskill dries were art
Best I've ever seen.

 

[itchmesir]

next time (if there is one) i'll have to chose the title of the thread to be more generic

something like "guy ties flies"

Maybe next time title it "classic hair wing steamers" then post a video of a hare's ear and wooly bugger. Lol.

 

[audax]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDtG9S0uPjo[/ame]

This is one of the better "Catskill" videos I've come across. Not explicit step-by-step instruction for the novice tyer, but some helpful hints included to aid the intermediate tyer.