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I have been attending a fly tying group the past few weeks. I have learned there is a difference in thread thickness and reasons for such. However, some spools use 8/0, 6/0 and the such or 140, 160 and the such or SM, MED, and the such, and some don't say squat - aggravating... is there a chart that shows a comparison standard? How do I know???
 

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I have been attending a fly tying group the past few weeks. I have learned there is a difference in thread thickness and reasons for such. However, some spools use 8/0, 6/0 and the such or 140, 160 and the such or SM, MED, and the such, and some don't say squat - aggravating... is there a chart that shows a comparison standard? How do I know???
The things you need to know about thread are:

1. Material have different properties so you need to know what the thread is made of; for example, nylon, polyester, gel spun polyester (GSP), silk, kevlar, etc

2. Thickness - These are the 6/0 designations and the numbers like 140. Supposedly the "aught" system like a 6/0 rating designates diameter BUT there is no "aught" standard so the same designation of 6/0 can be different diameter thread depending on manufacturer. Then there is denier which is a measurement of the actual mass of the thread, so it is a replacement for the "aught" system and is supposed to be a apples to apples comparison of thread.

3. Composition - How the tread is actually made. For example, is the thread twisted or not twisted. If it is twisted, is it bonded so it can it be untwisted to lay "flat" on the hook or can it be "split" to insert dubbing.



4. Waxed or not waxed. Some threads have wax to help the dubbing stick onto the thread. Other threads are unwaxed.

5. Special threads like Unistretch that have elastic properties.

These things determine the properties and performance of the thread. For example, nylon stretches and this gives the tyer more feel and the amount of stretch can help the tyer determine when the thread is about to break. Nylon is easier to dye into brighter colors. GSP is the other main material and GSP is stronger than nylon and does not stretch. It also does not dye as easily. Nylon and polyester are the most common materials for thread. Silk is mainly used for special flies and to stay true to old patterns. It is a very weak material compared to the synthetics but it takes dye better than nylon or polyester so the colors and translusence are wonderful.

With all that to consider, even with denier and the aught system, the actual bulk on the hook is not consistent comparing either the aught or deniers of threads. See the hook wrapped with 40 wraps of thread and not that threads that should be less bulky are not and threads that have equal aught numbers and denier have thicker wraps. Note the breaking strengths in the chart below for the same material and denier vary.




The best thing is to tie until you like a specific manufacturer's thread and keep using it. Having said that, a relatively new manufacturer, Veevus has become popular.

Here are a article for you to read:

Fly Tying Thread Blues | Global FlyFisher | The old aught system for tying threads (6/0, 8/0, 10/0) isn't really good. So the newer Denier system is much better, right? No, not really!

Thread table:

Fly Tying Thread Table | Global FlyFisher | A large sortable table comparing more than 90 fly-tying threads.

Here are some more "thread" threads from NAFF:

Need a stronger thread.

Veevus?

How important is the "right" hook and thread
 

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In the chart above, UNI 8/0 is listed as polyester whereas UNI 6/0 is listed as nylon. Aren't they both polyester threads? I'm speaking of the product UNI-thread.

The one's I have are and they also happen to be my hands down favorites for most tying. I like they way it ties materials and secures bead chain/dumbell eyes. Impressively grippy on the shank.

There is a UNI-nylon and a UNI-mono but they currently is do not use the aught rating. Nylon appears to use denier only and mono is described in mm.
 

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In the chart above, UNI 8/0 is listed as polyester whereas UNI 6/0 is listed as nylon. Aren't they both polyester threads? I'm speaking of the product UNI-thread.

The one's I have are and they also happen to be my hands down favorites for most tying. I like they way it ties materials and secures bead chain/dumbell eyes. Impressively grippy on the shank.

There is a UNI-nylon and a UNI-mono but they currently is do not use the aught rating. Nylon appears to use denier only and mono is described in mm.
I agree with you. I think Uni Thread 6/0 is polyester. The chart comes from a publication by Capital Distric Fly Fishers - Home that is no longer available on line.
 

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The things you need to know about thread are:

1. Material have different properties so you need to know what the thread is made of; for example, nylon, polyester, gel spun polyester (GSP), silk, kevlar, etc

2. Thickness - These are the 6/0 designations and the numbers like 140. Supposedly the "aught" system like a 6/0 rating designates diameter BUT there is no "aught" standard so the same designation of .......................]
Oh MY..... oh me or MY
 

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Good - will read through this and gleam what I can, I'm not the sharpen tack in the drawer but when I do figure it out... happy.
Silver posted the hook diagram when I first started tying. I used it frequently. Give it a glance when you pick thread for each tie. If you do you will use the approximately correct thread to get you through your first couple dozen patterns. After you get good at tying the exactly correct thread for a particular fly will become more important. There is no need to stress yourself the first month. It won't add to your enjoyment and I am pretty sure this is supposed to be fun. Unless you are very talented the first flies won't be that amazing anyway, but they'll catch fish most likely if you present them correctly. :)

Just keep it fun.
 
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